Originally posted by Enyalus
V&V Despero's durability = crap. Lobo's healing factor = great.Advantage, Lobo.
A weaker version of Despero knocked Lobo clean out of a city during their last fight.
That doesn't take into account his superior speed, psi powers( Mind- control, telepathy) illusion casting and his own healing factor.
Winner, Despero.
Originally posted by Desaad
How was Despero's durability 'not good' in Virtue and Vice? I don't recall anything hurting him, including the punches of multiple top tier strong men like Captain Marvel, Superman, etc.
That means nothing. Hawkman's mace has always hurt beings more powerful than they should be.
The fact that he was taking punches from multiple top tier strong men pretty much puts the idea that he was somehow not very durable in this incarnation to rest.
lots of other versions have been very disappointing, but this one was a verifiable monster.
Originally posted by Enyalus
And Major Force has knocked Superman from Metropolis into Ohio with a punch. That doesn't really matter.Despero's durability is not great. Never has been. Especially in V&V. That's why he loses.
The fight with Lobo was pretty definitive. Lobo jumped on him and was easily beaten back.
Despero's psychic abilities are vastly improved in V&V and would pretty much overwhelm Lobo. Thats not to mention illusion casting and superior speed.
Also, I don't know what you consider great in terms of durability. He was cut in V&V by Aquaman's hook which I believe has magical properties as well as having his teeth smashed by Hawkgirl's mace which is made of Nth metal.
He recovered in seconds from both.
If you can physically knock out: Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Power Girl all at once you are pretty durable.
Originally posted by Desaad
That means nothing. Hawkman's mace has always hurt beings more powerful than they should be.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The fight with Lobo was pretty definitive. Lobo jumped on him and was easily beaten back.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Despero's psychic abilities are vastly improved in V&V and would pretty much overwhelm Lobo.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Also, I don't know what you consider great in terms of durability. He was cut in V&V by Aquaman's hook which I believe has magical properties as well as having his teeth smashed by Hawkgirl's mace which is made of Nth metal.He recovered in seconds from both.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
If you can physically knock out: Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Power Girl all at once you are pretty durable.
Originally posted by Enyalus
That doesn't prove durability. That proves strength. And are you kidding me, Superman and Captain Marvel being KO'd from one head-bump? And err, I think at one point it is Wonder Woman who isn't even in the picture, but it in the next panel she's on the ground KO'd. The entire sequence reeked of PIS. [/B]
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
actually it does prove durability to a certain extent. being able to surving koing someone like superman without having your fist turned to mush, means you are pretty f**king durable
Originally posted by Enyalus
His mace shattered when hitting a New Kryptonian ffs.
Superboy, pre death, drew blood from Superboy Prime.
Does that mean that Superboy Prime's durability was really that low, or is it more likely an example of artistic interpretation?
Despero had what, one psychic feat in V&V, and that was against Green Arrow/Black Canary in the White House. You've got no proof that his psychic abilities were vastly improved in V&V.
He turned Martian Manhunter to goo from afar. That's pretty impressive.
That doesn't prove durability. That proves strength. And are you kidding me, Superman and Captain Marvel being KO'd from one head-bump? And err, I think at one point it is Wonder Woman who isn't even in the picture, but it in the next panel she's on the ground KO'd. The entire sequence reeked of PIS. [/B]
That absolutely proved durability. How can you take a punch from a character and NOT have it NOT be an indication of durability?
I don't care if it's "PIS", the scene was what the scene was, and the implications of that scene are obvious. He was taking on Superman, Captain Marvel, Power Girl and Wonder Woman all at once, obviously taking hits in the process and coming out fine.
Originally posted by Enyalus
[/b]That doesn't prove durability. That proves strength. And are you kidding me, Superman and Captain Marvel being KO'd from one head-bump? And err, I think at one point it is Wonder Woman who isn't even in the picture, but it in the next panel she's on the ground KO'd. The entire sequence reeked of PIS. [/B]
It does prove durability.
They were all trading punches and Superman and Captain Marvel were hitting him simultaneously. Superman, has put, Lobo, down with punches and, Captain Marvel, knocked, Lobo, around easily in their fight in L.E.G.I.O.N.
The knew the threat Despero posed and its reasonable to presume that they were going all out with their blows.
Originally posted by Desaad
Superboy, pre death, drew blood from Superboy Prime.Does that mean that Superboy Prime's durability was really that low, or is it more likely an example of artistic interpretation?
Originally posted by Desaad
He turned Martian Manhunter to goo from afar. That's pretty impressive.
Originally posted by Desaad
That absolutely proved durability. How can you take a punch from a character and NOT have it NOT be an indication of durability?I don't care if it's "PIS", the scene was what the scene was, and the implications of that scene are obvious. He was taking on Superman, Captain Marvel, Power Girl and Wonder Woman all at once, obviously taking hits in the process and coming out fine.