Despero VS Lobo

Started by LordofBrooklyn2 pages
LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

Pg. 82 first panel: Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Power Girl all hit Despero simultaneously.

Not toe be left out, Dr. Midnite, throws a punch too.

Desaad Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus

I don't see anything wrong with that. Prime is not too far beyond Superman or Superboy's levels, and you can't exactly claim PIS because he gives him a good run for his money after his resurrection, as well.

So the character who took multiple uncontested blows from Black Adam (charged with lightning no less), who was moving planets and shattering dimensional barriers, taking the self destruction of a Guardian...that character getting blood drawn from Superboy, especially a Superboy who was exhausted, who could barely fly just a few minutes earlier...that's totally consistent? That makes sense, in your eyes? That isn't, most likely, blood being drawn?

How about when a kick from Batman draws blood from Darkseid. You think the intent of that scene, by the writer, was to show that Batman was about on Darkseid's strength level?

Looks like he took seven hits total from various people. One of them was from Power Girl, who hurt him. Another was from Hawkman's mace, who drew blood and busted out his teeth. [/B]

And one hit was from 3 top tiers combined, and that's going by JUST what we see on panel, ignoring the fact that the majority of the fight seemed to take place off panel.

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Lobo at his peak, wins by a relentless stomp.

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Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Pg. 82 first panel: Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Power Girl all hit Despero simultaneously.

Not toe be left out, Dr. Midnite, throws a punch too.


Pretty sure that's Hourman and not Dr. Mid-Nite. lol

Originally posted by Desaad
So the character who took multiple uncontested blows from Black Adam (charged with lightning no less), who was moving planets and shattering dimensional barriers, taking the self destruction of a Guardian...that character getting blood drawn from Superboy, especially a Superboy who was exhausted, who could barely fly just a few minutes earlier...that's totally consistent? That makes sense, in your eyes? That isn't, most likely, blood being drawn?

Black Adam's magical in nature, as Prime was pretty resilient against magic. So I have no problem with that. The rest doesn't really matter, as we don't see how badly Prime's hurt by the Guardian's self-destruction, and again, moving planets and punching through barriers are mainly strength feats.

Originally posted by Desaad
How about when a kick from Batman draws blood from Darkseid. You think the intent of that scene, by the writer, was to show that Batman was about on Darkseid's strength level?

Darkseid was severely weakened. His durability pretty clearly wasn't what it was normally. I'm not arguing strength level. V&V Despero proved his immense strength when he stopped the Rock of Eternity. I'm arguing durability. And Despero's has never been great. He's gotten his ass badly beaten by Superman more than once.

Originally posted by Desaad
And one hit was from 3 top tiers combined, and that's going by JUST what we see on panel, ignoring the fact that the majority of the fight seemed to take place off panel.

It doesn't look like the majority of the fight was off panel to me, and if it was, I'm not going to just assume that he took a bunch of hits from them. Because it isn't shown. So I don't know. As it is, he took 7 shots. 2 hurt him. Based on that and his other showings, Despero's durability is not on par with other high heralds (and definitely not trans tiered characters). Lobo at his peak absolutely has top tier strength. He can do damage to Despero. And while Despero can certainly damage him back, Lobo's healing factor is ridiculous and wins this for him.

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member
Originally posted by "Id"
Lobo at his peak, wins by a relentless stomp.

I know this is Quan's line but

Based on what?

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LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
Pretty sure that's Hourman and not Dr. Mid-Nite. lol

Lobo at his peak absolutely has top tier strength. He can do damage to Despero. And while Despero can certainly damage him back, Lobo's healing factor is ridiculous and wins this for him.

Pretty sure that's Hourman and not Dr. Mid-Nite. lol

Thanks for the correction.

Lobo at his peak absolutely has top tier strength. He can do damage to Despero. And while Despero can certainly damage him back, Lobo's healing factor is ridiculous and wins this for him.

Lobo even in his most powerful incarnation is susceptible to psychic attack. If Despero can decimate Martian Manhunter with a psychic attack he can certaintly do so with Lobo.

The illusion casting and possesion powers are also in Despero's favor in terms of giving Despero the nod.

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V&V was stronger than most of Despero's incarnations by a huge margin.
So it's safe to assume that his TP powers were also stronger then.

V&V Despero gets the slight majority, only because of the TP advantage.

Without that, it would be Lobo who'd be the victor.

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Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I know this is Quan's line but

Based on what?

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Bassed on the fact that Lobo light, was already giving Despero a fight. Now you want to pit him against a bonofied toon force character.

The original Rulk. Only more badass, and less crappy.

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
Bassed on the fact that Lobo light, was already giving Despero a fight. Now you want to pit him against a bonofied toon force character.

The original Rulk. Only more badass, and less crappy.

That Despero was significantly weaker than the V&V version.

Physical attributes are negligible for both; although I would give Lobo the edge in durability and Despero the edge in speed.

Lobo in his most powerful incarnation is still vulnerable to psychic attack.

How does being "Toon" force level get around that?

Mrblonde Senior Member

The Main Man stomps. Clone army FTW plus the tp resistance due to his favorite song playing in his head.

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member
Originally posted by Mrblonde
The Main Man stomps. Clone army FTW plus the tp resistance due to his favorite song playing in his head.

Despero decimitated arguably the most powerful and skilled telepath in the DCU, namely, The Martian Manhunter.

That is more than enough to plow through Lobo's mind.

Despero takes possesion of Lobo's army and turns them against him.

Despero has too much versatility for the Czarnian.