Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you caught me... why?while ur at it can you answer why Emmanuel is prayed and worshiped in church with an idol cross that his religion preaches against and he himself said not to worship him but his father?...
Because Buddhism was a religion, and is a religion. Let me guess: You like Buddhism to a degree, but you hate religion. If Buddhism is a religion, then you have a conflict.
The Christian religion is a composite religion.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because Buddhism was a religion, and is a religion. Let me guess: You like Buddhism to a degree, but you hate religion. If Buddhism is a religion, then you have a conflict.The Christian religion is a composite religion.
nope.. i lived it and read plenty of scriptures studied it as a kid, young adult and as a MA student as part of my MA training body, spirit and mind and all that jazz...
one thing that really got to me was something that was written about simply living and finding ones own path to enlightenment. it said something about a cook reaching walking his own path and contemplating while cleaning and cooking his own rice to the best of his ability while thinking good thoughts, while a poor monk does the same by doing his daily chores and reaching oneness while sweeping the pavement.
something about no one path to enlightenment is the same as another their fore following an old bhuddist monks way are just examples to how one can reach enlightenment or live.
i dont really want to reread and get into Buddhism to find comments and written scripture that would contradicts the concept of the bhuddism as a religion.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowPerhaps Zen Buddhism would be more to your liking. As I understand it, ZB is not keen on doctrine, labels or any type of formal concept. Just zazen.
i dont really want to reread and get into Buddhism to find comments and written scripture that would contradicts the concept of the bhuddism as a religion.
Originally posted by Mindshipyeah, for a while i was reading some zen books i didnt bother to memorize the author or title name since i was only looking to learn from what it had to say and not focus on who had written it...
Perhaps Zen Buddhism would be more to your liking. As I understand it, ZB is not keen on doctrine, labels or any type of formal concept. Just zazen.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
nope.. i lived it and read plenty of scriptures studied it as a kid, young adult and as a MA student as part of my MA training body, spirit and mind and all that jazz...one thing that really got to me was something that was written about simply living and finding ones own path to enlightenment. it said something about a cook reaching walking his own path and contemplating while cleaning and cooking his own rice to the best of his ability while thinking good thoughts, while a poor monk does the same by doing his daily chores and reaching oneness while sweeping the pavement.
something about no one path to enlightenment is the same as another their fore following an old bhuddist monks way are just examples to how one can reach enlightenment or live.
i dont really want to reread and get into Buddhism to find comments and written scripture that would contradicts the concept of the bhuddism as a religion.
Put a coin in your hand. Now tell me how many paths to realizing you have a coin in your hand. Enlightenment is being aware of the moment. It is not something that can be attained, because you already have it. It is something you must awaken too.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no irony in that.
Well, it actually depends. If I may ask, are you a Buddhist that believes in God(s) or no?
If you believe in religion do you have to believe in all aspects of all religions? I can’t imagine anyone thinking like that.
I never said anything remotely close to that so I cannot imagine it either, to be quite honest.
Originally posted by Ultraviolence
Well, it actually depends. If I may ask, are you a Buddhist that believes in God(s) or no?I never said anything remotely close to that so I cannot imagine it either, to be quite honest.
I am a Buddhist. The Buddhist teachings that I follow, do not say anything about God. The pursuit of God dose not lead to Nirvana. However, I used to be a Christian, and I know what it is like to believe in a god. Some people would say that I am an atheist, but to me, being an atheist is just anti-belief in god.
But you asked me a straight question, and I will give you a straight answer. I do believe in God (not the god of the bible), but the reason why… well, it is quite a trick.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow...and often abused.
sigh.... the potential of our spiritual growth is their it doesnt mean we are aware of it or feel spiritual...using or saying path to enlightenment is just an expression of saying one is seeking or trying to find ones spiritual self or "awaken to it".
i hate spiritual semantics its annoying.
Ever lucid dream? Makes a wonderful experiential metaphor for "awakening."
Originally posted by Mindshipyup, i had some lucid dreams in the past also had some while studying and practicing some breathing meditation exercises... i havent had one in yrs.. my goal was to always have one when meditating or sleeping, sometimes they werent good experiences other times they were great.
...and often abused.Ever lucid dream? Makes a wonderful experiential metaphor for "awakening."
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.... the potential of our spiritual growth is their it doesnt mean we are aware of it or feel spiritual...using or saying path to enlightenment is just an expression of saying one is seeking or trying to find ones spiritual self or "awaken to it".
i hate spiritual semantics its annoying.
Most people take things too literally, and think the idea of finding enlightenment means you don't currently have it. There are many sects of Buddhism that believe that way. If you already realize that you are enlightened, but just not awake, then you should know that enlightenment is not the end of the journey; it is only the beginning.
i like to think i was awaken and as enlighten as i could become but i decided to walk away from it once achieving it.
the being surrounded by turds got to me... its like being constantly harassed by a moron while meditating and thinking loving compassionate thoughts toward him and knowing that ur body is just a body and has no real importance in the grand scheme of things.
but the guy just keeps whining prodding instigating trying to get a rise our of you for minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and finally years..
then while sitting there meditating you just say f#@$ it, i tried to be polite teach him, be above such concept of hate and rage but after a yr of constant harassment poking and prodding me you stand up and kick his @$$ pound him to the ground then dust yourself off and go for that beer, cigarettes and women.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i like to think i was awaken and as enlighten as i could become but i decided to walk away from it once achieving it.the being surrounded by turds got to me... its like being constantly harassed by a moron while meditating and thinking loving compassionate thoughts toward him and knowing that ur body is just a body and has no real importance in the grand scheme of things.
but the guy just keeps whining prodding instigating trying to get a rise our of you for minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and finally years..
then while sitting there meditating you just say f#@$ it, i tried to be polite teach him, be above such concept of hate and rage but after a yr of constant harassment poking and prodding me you stand up and kick his @$$ pound him to the ground then dust yourself off and go for that beer, cigarettes and women.
😆 We are all human, and sometimes you have to fulfill someone's Karma.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowNo one ever said enlightenment would happen overnight. Could take a lifetime...or two, or three... 😉
...then while sitting there meditating you just say f#@$ it, i tried to be polite teach him, be above such concept of hate and rage but after a yr of constant harassment poking and prodding me you stand up and kick his @$$ pound him to the ground then dust yourself off and go for that beer, cigarettes and women.
Actually, I like how Bruce Lee put it: If enlightenment were easy, it wouldn't be worth anything.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonSomeone else's? disgust to that.
...sometimes you have to fulfill someone's Karma.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am a Buddhist. The Buddhist teachings that I follow, do not say anything about God. The pursuit of God dose not lead to Nirvana. However, I used to be a Christian, and I know what it is like to believe in a god. Some people would say that I am an atheist, but to me, being an atheist is just anti-belief in god.But you asked me a straight question, and I will give you a straight answer. I do believe in God (not the god of the bible), but the reason why… well, it is quite a trick.
Okay, that's fair. I'm glad you had the respect to answer my question. Now, this means that I was correct and there is irony present and that irony is that you freely dismiss another religion's God while believing in a God of your own. That really doesn't make much sense to me and, whether you like it or not, is indeed ironic.
Originally posted by Ultraviolence
Okay, that's fair. I'm glad you had the respect to answer my question. Now, this means that I was correct and there is irony present and that irony is that you freely dismiss another religion's God while believing in a God of your own. That really doesn't make much sense to me and, whether you like it or not, is indeed ironic.
It makes plenty of sense to dismiss one god and accept another. To the speaker there is clearly sufficient evidence for the one but not the other.