Originally posted by SamZEDwow if that was the extent of his supposed training i take it back for it doing him any good when fighting logan..
He was fighting bears to train himself to deal with berserker's rage. But we didnt get to see if it did him any good because Wolverine refused to fight. The bear did bite him in the end though.
unless a bear can start clawing swiping from various directions and can counter parry and jump kick when he gets mad,,,,, i tell you these writers these dayss.. 😬
Originally posted by Wild ShadowYep. Not to mention when Logan decided to hold his rage and stopped fighting X was already on the ground with Wolverine's claws in his face.
wow if that was the extent of his supposed training i take it back for it doing him any good when fighting logan..unless a bear can start clawing swiping from various directions and can counter parry and jump kick when he gets mad,,,,, i tell you these writers these dayss.. 😬
why do ppl think wolverine's berserker rage equals a foaming animal who scratches and bites wildly without any higher fighting skill intelligence i mean how many times has a berserker logan bn shown processing information and counter reacting to stimuli with more then basic animal clawing and biting?
i can name a few times where he has grappled, tossed, jump kick and taken the time to breath in and enjoy the final fatal claw stab.. may have bn feral and or berserker
Originally posted by SamZED
Yep. Not to mention when Logan decided to hold his rage and stopped fighting X was already on the ground with Wolverine's claws in his face.
That`s almost funny. X was throwing him around, stabbing him trough his stomach, cutting his head etc the entire fight. Totally onesided in Mr. X favor as usual
Originally posted by MshinuNow that is funny. MA fighters can match a holding back Spider-man on their best day with Spider-man jobbing to them. I swear a guy can fight for 500 years but KMC memebers would still think he's not a skilled fighter because he didn't take karate lessons...😬
X was goading Wolvie to go berzerk, wanting a rematch. Clearly he has practiced for it.Beating up "armed guys" is hardly a challenge. Spidey got no basics, without those he is just ingraining bad habit and wasteful motion. Which is why the skilled can match his speed, read him like a book and take him down in spite of all his superhuman stats.
X beats Spidey without his powers even.
Originally posted by MshinuYeah, to the point when Logan went berserk and X's powers became useless, only proves my point. Once that happened Logan had him on the ground with his claws in X's face. Took him one move to do that. Iron Fist did the same once he found a way pass X's powers.
That`s almost funny. X was throwing him around, stabbing him trough his stomach, cutting his head etc the entire fight. Totally onesided in Mr. X favor as usual
Originally posted by SamZED
A guy can be a great fighter without knowing the pressure points simply because he spend every day of his life fighting. Add super powers and you get Spider-man.
High skill at MA in comics is basically treated as just anoter superpower. One Spidey does not posess. This is not really debatable.
Ar best Spidey is a skilled acrobat and an amateur brawler who relies on his stats and the spidey sense with no polish.
Yeah, to the point when Logan went berserk and X's powers became useless, only proves my point. Once that happened Logan had him on the ground with his claws in X's face. Took him one move to do that.
Read again, we were takling about their latest fight where Wolvie held back the berzerk because X has trained to beat him.
Originally posted by MshinuWell going by his random feats and fights he doesnt need it, his powers plus years of fighting exp more than make up for lack of ma training. And him easilly beatin the best ma fighters once he stops holding back proves it. And that only works for chi amps, just knowing MA doesnt count as super power.
High skill at MA in comics is basically treated as anoter superpower. One Spidey does not posess.
Originally posted by MshinuI know. X stabbed him several times after dodging his attacks, once Logan went berserk he instantly dropped X who was smiling for God knows what reason, since Logan's claws were in his face. 1/10 second later he would've been cut to pieces if Logan didn't stop.
Read again, we were takling about their latest fight where Wolvie held back the berzerk because X has trained to beat him.
Originally posted by SamZED
Well going by his random feats and fights he doesnt need it, his powers plus years of fighting exp more than make up for lack of ma training. And him easilly beatin the best ma fighters once he stops holding back proves it. And that only works for chi amps, just knowing MA doesnt count as super power.
Going by the things MAists can do in comics it is definately a superpower.
Spidey`s record against skilled people is actually pretty shitty. Anything else is pretty selective reading.
I know. X stabbed him several times after dodging his attacks, once Logan went berserk he instantly dropped X who was smiling for God knows what reason, since Logan's claws were in his face. 1/10 second later he would've been cut to pieces if Logan didn't stop.
Funny. 1/10 sec is still plenty of time for someone like X to react. Plus Wolvie`s claws were back at his shoulder, look again. X was just trying to goad Wolvie farther into the `zerk. C`m on, you know better than that.
Originally posted by MshinuThat's actually wrong...
Spidey`s record against skilled people is actually pretty shitty. Anything else is pretty selective reading.
and talking about selective reading Wolvies HF can be brought to the max but as soon as someone makes a thread that would really bring him to that level of damage certain people here like to ignore that.
Originally posted by MshinuOnly if we're talking chi amps like say Karate Kid and Iron Fist. Punching through brick walls, dodging bulets, moving fast and jumping far doesn't count as superhuman abilities by comicbook standarts.
Going by the things MAists can do in comics it is definately a superpower.
Originally posted by MshinuNormally (like 80% of the time) the MA fighters stalemate against a holding back Spider-man and get wtfstomped by "pissed off"/"holding back less than usually" Spidey. So not really.
Spidey`s record against skilled people is actually pretty shitty. Anything else is pretty selective reading.
Originally posted by MshinuC'mone man look at the scan.
Funny. 1/10 sec is still plenty of time for someone like X to react. Plus Wolvie`s claws were back at his shoulder, look again. X was just trying to goad Wolvie farther into the `zerk. C`m on, you know better than that.
Well I already knew the same 4-5 people who say Spiderman loses in every thread would show up. (Not necessarily referring to the first poster I'm quoting).
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man doesn't really have a significant speed edge over any top tier street. I mean, sure, he's faster... but in about the same way that $10.10 is more money than $10. Virtually all of Peter's top speed feats have been replicated or failing that matched with an equally impressive feat by Marvel's best MAs. It's Spider-man's spider-sense that edges him out against people in the same speed ball park as him, and that is more than negated by X's telepathy.
C'mon, only 1% faster? That's absurd. We all know in comics that artists have liberties with the main characters and will have them do things in their own comic like moving with shadows and everything else. Put them in a similar setting and Spiderman will be faster. He's not only done more feas, and more impressive feats, (ones I haven't seen matched by the other peak streets) he does them more frequently and with ease without holding back. He has a lighter body with far more strength to propel himself, and more flexibility to enhance his range of movement without his body trying to slow him down to prevent injury. Does anybody really think that someone like Batman or an even slower character is only 1% slower when they are all going all out at KMC? I think not. If that's the case then Wolverine is as fast as Batman and Nightwing too, since all of his supporters argue him as being faster.
Why can't we say their "MA" training might help them move a bit more fluidly but it doesn't remove their natural speed limitations.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Spidey gets murdered. His h2h speed is not above say Wolverine`s level and MAists without precognition always give him serious trouble. His use of the spider sense is nowhere near the level where he can counter X`s ability. Perhaps if he spent some serious time honing it like that what if or whatever. X decimates the likes of Taskmaster without breaking a sweat, Spidey has no chanse in hell.
Who do you think Spiderman beats? I don't think I've ever recalled you saying he wins in any match? 😬
I have stated numerous times that his powers is a very nice package and that with proper training he would be an absolute beast. However what he represent in comics is in part youth and potential. Cap and Wolvie will always be like daddys to him.
Who can he beat? Uh, Elektro, Mysterio, Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Green goblin, Dr Octopus.. lots of guys.
He is good but since he relies on stats the extremely good are his achilles heel, even ones with far lower stats than him.
Beast suffer a bit form the same. He is more skilled than spidey but still relies too much on agility/speed/strengt hence gets beat down frequently. It is in fact harder for someone with super stats to develop skills, they can do without them most of the time. Smack down 30 armed guys every day without breaking a sweat, all you learn is to rely on super speed and acrobatics.
Originally posted by MshinuWhat about X then when people got around his power X has shown to be pretty ordinary.
I have stated numerous times that his powers is a very nice package and that with proper training he would be an absolute beast. However what he represent in comics is in part youth and potential. Cap and Wolvie will always be like daddys to him.Who can he beat? Uh, Elektro, Mysterio, Rhino, Scorpion, Vulture, Green goblin, Dr Octopus.. lots of guys.
He is good but since he relies on stats the extremely good are his achilles heel, even ones with far lower stats than him.
Beast suffer a bit form the same. He is more skilled than spidey but still relies too much on agility/speed/strengt hence gets beat down frequently. It is in fact harder for someone with super stats to develop skills, they can do without them most of the time. Smack down 30 armed guys every day without breaking a sweat, all you learn is to rely on super speed and acrobatics.
His special power is the ONLY thing that sets him apart from dozens of comic book martial artists who trained their whole lives.
Without his power he probably does not get past batroc.
Originally posted by godking
What about X then when people got around his power X has shown to be pretty ordinary.His special power is the ONLY thing that sets him apart from dozens of comic book martial artists who trained their whole lives.
Without his power he probably does not get past batroc.
Batroc is not in this thread...
And how is Parker getting past his ability anyway? I don`t think he has mastered drunken boxing or no-mind meditation... 😛
I think people misunderstand the animal thing. He not saying that animal = berserker wolverine. He saying that animals don't think out there attacks it all instinct. He trained his body and mind to automatically lock onto there brain patterns, to the point he reflexivly blocking each attack they make as there making it. He used animals to do this becuase there not thinking of the attacks there just doing it.
