Originally posted by kgkg
SS will not fight like a moron but will fight in character. Considering he has never phased in battle all his phasing feats or non combat related as far as I can recall.So of course it's not something it would happen here.
With the added strength of hulk with his own and the ability to increase his strength multiple times will easily will K.O Surfer pretty fast when he connects.
Well, he's still got: force fields, teleportation, shrinking down the size of an electron or smaller, dimension dumping, time travelling bfr, energy drain, metabolic shutdown and several other forms of biological manipulation, black hole creation, matter transmutation of the environment or of SM's body, cosmic awareness, super senses, bullrushing at 10 million times the speed of light and weakness exploitation of both SM and hulks powers (if applicable)
There's probably more that I cant remember
Take your pick of what is in character for him to use
Originally posted by 753Force field is in character he has done it many times in combat. But his Force field will not last very long Superman has broken lantern Force field with a punch. With Hulk strength added to his own and the multiplier effect of hulk’s anger will destroy any Force field.
Well, he's still got: force fields, teleportation, shrinking down the size of an electron or smaller, dimension dumping, time travelling bfr, energy drain, metabolic shutdown and several other forms of biological manipulation, black hole creation, matter transmutation of the environment or of SM's body, cosmic awareness, super senses, bullrushing at 10 million times the speed of light and weakness exploitation of both SM and hulks powers (if applicable)There's probably more that I cant remember
Take your pick of what is in character for him to use
Teleportation? I have read every single Surfer issue never seen this? Have scan?
Shrinking down the size of an electron or smaller? He has only done it once and not in combat out of character in battle
dimension dumping- He will have to physically carry him and dump him like he did to Durok which is not probable since Superman will not stand still and let it happen.
Time travelling bfr- Same as above – Durok example
metabolic shutdown and several other forms of biological manipulation- Superman has Manipulation resistance added with healing factor of both Hulk and Wolverine improbable.
black hole creation- Won’t matter with this Superman can easily survive escape it.
Etc you get the idea.
It's not like Superman does have a list of ability like T-Vo , Punches holes in reality , fixing the Omniverse by vibrating etc.
The only chance is trying to absorb gamma/try to depower Superman but this added strength and healing will quickly overwhelm Surfer before he does any lasting damage.
Originally posted by kgkg
Force field is in character he has done it many times in combat. But his Force field will not last very long Superman has breaking lantern Force field with a punch. With Hulk strength added to his own and the multiplier effect of hulk’s anger will destroy any Force field.
Teleportation? I have read every single Surfer issue never seen this? Have scan?Shrinking down the size of an electron or smaller? Has only done it once and not in combat out of character in battle
dimension dumping- He will have to physically carry him and dump him like he did to Durok which is not probably since Superman will not stand still and let it happen.
Time travelling bfr- Same as above – Durok example
metabolic shutdown and several other forms of biological manipulation- Superman has Manipulation resistance added with healing factor of both Hulk and Wolverine improbable.black hole creation- Won’t matter with this Superman can easily survive escape it.
Etc you get the idea.
The only chance is trying to absorb gamma/try to depower Superman but this added strength and healing will quickly overwhelm Surfer before he does any lasting damage.
I really dont see them as being sufficiently resistant to matter or biological manipulation, there is still manipulation of the environment and the other powers. IMO no ammount of sheer brickness would take to take him out, but that's just me
regardless of power-stackage and CIS, he stops at 3.
Surfer has never had a problem with fighting Hulk. even an enraged Hulk could not dent/scratch/scuff or otherwise tarnish the Surfer's silver sheen...
and nothing prevents Surfer from exploiting Superman's weaknesses and from drawing energy from Superman to weaken Superman whilst strengthening himself.
that stuff, he has done in comics and in-character ✅
Stops at 3.
Originally posted by kgkg
Teleportation? I have read every single Surfer issue never seen this? Have scan?
Originally posted by kgkg
dimension dumping- He will have to physically carry him and dump him like he did to Durok which is not probable since Superman will not stand still and let it happen.Time travelling bfr- Same as above – Durok example
Originally posted by kgkg
black hole creation- Won’t matter with this Superman can easily survive escape it.
Originally posted by kgkg
The only chance is trying to absorb gamma/try to depower Superman but this added strength and healing will quickly overwhelm Surfer before he does any lasting damage.
Supes could give Surfer fits because of the stacked healing factor and Surfer would definately be in trouble if he tried trading hits with this version of Clark but his versatility will still give him the edge in a forum battle just as Supes's versatility would give him the edge against WWH or Worldbreaker despite their being stronger/faster healing.
Originally posted by darthgoober http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/combat/ffannual05-silversurfer11.jpgAs far as I can tell from that scan he transported different from teleported but I can’t read most of that scan due to bad text.
Originally posted by darthgoober I wouldn't count on that. He's opened a portal to teleport an unconscious Watcher, teleported Galactus's android from a distance, and his double sent him and Alicia Master's into the past via Chronal Energy Wave...He would still need to make contact and force Superman in and most of the time he BFR has been all physically dumping. Superman won’t be standing around letting all this happen anyway.
Originally posted by darthgoober I doubt he'd EASILY escape it. He has to hit lightspeed to escape, and there's a scan floating around where Supes talks about having to exert himself to hit C. Not that I doubt his ability to escape, just the ease with which he could do it.Yes I have that scan kind of rubbish considering Superman has already escaped a black hole and even held one with his bare hands with the help of GL. It’s not going to hurt him and he escaped the last one pretty easily when he figured out what do to. Considering Superman have travelled galaxy rather quickly this shouldn’t be a problem.
Originally posted by darthgoober Supes isn't enough of a hot head to amp his strength effectively via anger the way that Hulk does. That's not to say that he won't get stronger, but it would take him way too long to gain sufficient strength to steamroll the Surfer. And even if he managed to the reason Clark's such a beast on the forum is because of how effectively he uses a limited powerset, but if he's gets angry enough to make a major difference in his strength level, I just don't see him fighting anywhere near as intelligently...
Originally posted by darthgoober Supes could give Surfer fits because of the stacked healing factor and Surfer would definately be in trouble if he tried trading hits with this version of Clark but his versatility will still give him the edge in a forum battle just as Supes's versatility would give him the edge against WWH or Worldbreaker despite their being stronger/faster healing.In a CIS match Surfer will quickly be overwhelmed. Unless you believe Surfer can easily beat Superman he is not beating a Superman who is already many times stronger where Surfer will have no defense against such force.
Originally posted by kgkg
As far as I can tell from that scan he transported different from teleported but I can’t read most of that scan due to bad text.
Originally posted by kgkgHe didn't need physical contact in any of the instances I listed...
He would still need to make contact and force Superman in and most of the time he BFR has been all physically dumping. Superman won’t be standing around letting all this happen anyway.
Originally posted by kgkg
Yes I have that scan kind of rubbish considering Superman has already escaped a black hole and even held one with his bare hands with the help of GL. It’s not going to hurt him and he escaped the last one pretty easily when he figured out what do to. Considering Superman have travelled galaxy rather quickly this shouldn’t be a problem.
Originally posted by kgkg
His strength is already stacked with the Hulk’s even at the very start of the battle Superman is vastly Superior when he connects Surfer will not able to last long. The longer the fight goes the stronger Superman becomes. The misconception of one showing of superman getting angry and fighting poorly is hardly relevant here. He has beating characters which he could when he got angry many times – angry does not mean he will be a moron all the time.
And I'm not basing his fighting less intelligently while extremely angry on anything in particular from Supes(I'm not even sure what you're talking about), I'm basing it on logic and common sense. Almost no one fights as intelligently when they're extremely angry as they do when their mind is calm. WWH pulled it off after extreme training to focus his rage and Wolverine supposedly retains his skills while beserk, but for the most part an angry fighter is a dumb fighter both in comics and in real life.
Originally posted by kgkg
In a CIS match Surfer will quickly be overwhelmed. Unless you believe Surfer can easily beat Superman he is not beating a Superman who is already many times stronger where Surfer will have no defense against such force.
What's more we have to apply the same type of CIS to Supes as we do to Surfer. If we figure Surfer's going to be holding back then we have to assume the same in regards to Clark, and when have you ever known Clark to start swinging for the fences early in the match? If we figure that Surfer and Supes will both be going all out right at the start then Surfer will start stuff like BFR's and black holes early...
