Superman runs the Gauntlet.

Originally posted by darthgoober What makes you think "transported" has to be different than "teleported"? The guy had a grip on him and he disappeared out of his hands and ended up several feat away... that's teleporting.

The fact that we don’t see him teleporting and there are other ways to explain what occurred. He had a grip on him he could have easily turned his hand into energy and phased and moved away. Why would we assume that he teleported when he has never shown this ability before and especially there is a trail of energy indicating what happened.

Originally posted by darthgoober He didn't need physical contact in any of the instances I listed...

No what am saying is that he will needed to push them in the portal etc. Even if it possible with CIS it’s extremely unlikely anyway. Do you have any example of him forcefully doing this to a mobile character?

Originally posted by darthgoober He didn't say that he couldn't meet and exceed lightspeed, he just said something like he's got to exert himself to do it. Cap can run nearly 60 miles an hour for extended periods, but I'm sure it's not EASY for him to do so.

Considering he has traveled from one end of the galaxy to another EASILY and has escaped a BLACKHOLE. A comment about having problem exceed light speed is pointless when countless examples shows otherwise.

Originally posted by darthgoober I thought his strength was stacked with Hulk's BASE? Even if he starts off with the level of strength Hulk had when he was KO'd it still wouldn't be much of an increase because Supes would KO regular Hulk farely quickly. And I'm not basing his fighting less intelligently while extremely angry on anything in particular from Supes(I'm not even sure what you're talking about), I'm basing it on logic and common sense. Almost no one fights as intelligently when they're extremely angry as they do when their mind is calm. WWH pulled it off after extreme training to focus his rage and Wolverine supposedly retains his skills while beserk, but for the most part an angry fighter is a dumb fighter both in comics and in real life.

He starts at the BASE. But you realize that Hulk + Superman strength combine is something Surfer can’t handle especially when Hulk can get like 10 times stronger in few seconds. That’s the point. Being angry might make you less intelligent but this is not a fight where intelligence will matter much it’s a matter of Superman connecting surfer with his punches. This is not a cosmic mystery Superman is trying to solve here. The benefit of ANGER is greater than losing little bit of intelligence considering Superman is a tactical genius and Logan’s always fights when he angry what disadvantage will be nullified anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober I highly doubt it because Hulk and Wolverine don't really add anything to Supes's speed, meaning Surfer still has the mobility advantage in addition to having a massive ranged advantage. What's more we have to apply the same type of CIS to Supes as we do to Surfer. If we figure Surfer's going to be holding back then we have to assume the same in regards to Clark, and when have you ever known Clark to start swinging for the fences early in the match? If we figure that Surfer and Supes will both be going all out right at the start then Surfer will start stuff like BFR's and black holes early...

Originally posted by kgkg
The fact that we don’t see him teleporting and there are other ways to explain what occurred. He had a grip on him he could have easily turned his hand into energy and phased and moved away. Why would we assume that he teleported when he has never shown this ability before and especially there is a trail of energy indicating what happened.

But even if what you're saying was true, it would just mean that Surfer could turn Supes intangible...

Originally posted by kgkg
No what am saying is that he will needed to push them in the portal etc. Even if it possible with CIS it’s extremely unlikely anyway. Do you have any example of him forcefully doing this to a mobile character?

Originally posted by kgkg
Considering he has traveled from one end of the galaxy to another EASILY and has escaped a BLACKHOLE. A comment about having problem exceed light speed is pointless when countless examples shows otherwise.

Originally posted by kgkg
He starts at the BASE. But you realize that Hulk + Superman strength combine is something Surfer can’t handle especially when Hulk can get like 10 times stronger in few seconds. That’s the point. Being angry might make you less intelligent but this is not a fight where intelligence will matter much it’s a matter of Superman connecting surfer with his punches. This is not a cosmic mystery Superman is trying to solve here. The benefit of ANGER is greater than losing little bit of intelligence considering Superman is a tactical genius and Logan’s always fights when he angry what disadvantage will be nullified anyway.

...just kidding on that last part, I know that's not something we'd be likely to see. But he has shown the ability to rapidly drain Hulk's energy before so Supes's strength amp wouldn't last long. And even if that weren't true, Supes's opening punches aren't going to be too difficult for Surfer to deal with. And I just realized that Supes would gain Logan's beserker state(wasn't thinking about that before), so you're right in saying him fighting angry shouldn't decrease his fighting skills. But even with that being the case, Supes won't be amping that quickly with CIS on because he's the type to try to keep his anger in check. I mean if the guy fights to keep a handle on his unamped strength, what makes you think that he's just suddenly decide to flip out when he's amped? His punches will start off within the realm that Surfer can handle and then slowly increase.... except they won't, because Surfer will be draining his energy.

Originally posted by kgkg
Superman is still be fast enough to connect that’s the point. IMO Surfer won’t be able to take punches at this level and will be K.O rather quickly while Superman will heal/and get stronger. As for you BFR argument it has never been that easy for Surfer and it won't be here. Surfer will be quickly overwhelmed

And he couldn't KO Surfer quickly, he doesn't start off anywhere near strong enough. He's basically Supes+100 tons and his strength increases if and when he gets angry. The only reason one would think that he could quickly overwelm Surfer if they thought Supes could because even though he has some decent defensive upgrades via healing factor's, hulk's durability, and Wolverine's skeleton, all he's got is about a 100 ton upgrade to his strength and that kind of amp won't matter much at this level.

And the BFR thing has been that simple, Galactus's android...

Yeah stops at 3.

Even with CIS, SS still has too many offensive and defensive options to neutralize SM. I really dont think he can tank matter/bio manipulation of the finesse and scale the surfer has displayed. He does not need physical contact to BFR and even if he did, he can bullrush SM through a portal at multiples of C even while taking a pounding or place him in a force field bubble taht only needs to last long enough to go through.

This is unlikely to turn into a brawl and SS still has massive area attacks, weakness exploitation and energy drain. I also believe that thing was really teleportation.

The gap between the bricks and the high endmatter/energy manipulators like Surfer is just too big, Hulk doesnt really add all that, its just more of the same. You should put more stepping stones between the hulk and SS or at least some people with a growing versatility and energy manipulation like weaker GLs.

I lol'd at Surfer beating a Superman/Hulk/Wolverine amalgam.

There's no way he gets past the infinity gauntlet, but I seriously doubt he even makes it that far