Hasn't Doom defeated Sentry once (he's lost once as well, but...) ? Plus as others have pointed out, one-shotting Warlock. Two-shotting Magus. Beaten Morganna Le Fey, beating Dr. Voodoo as the Sorcerer Supreme, taken on Savage Hulk, beaten Magneto, etc. He's able to compete with heralds on a consistent basis.
Hasn't Doom defeated Sentry once (he's lost once as well, but...) ?
That's nothing to brag about. Sentry stalemated WWH, and WWH would get stomped by even a jobbing Apocalypse 😬
Plus as others have pointed out, one-shotting Warlock. Two-shotting Magus.
Magus and Warlock weren't expecting Doom and Kang to show-up. So sneak attack.
Apocalypse however has had the edge over guys like Loki, Black Bolt, Cable and High Evolutionary.
Doom might be smarter alot smarter but Apocalypse is too versatile for him and has powers that would greatly help him with his technology and prep. Plus he has 2.5 times as much prep as Doom does.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
No galactusischere is right. Doom failed misreably when he tried to steal Beyonder's powers that way. He was shreded to pieces, it was through Doom's sheer will power that he managed to take Beyonder's powers.
So it's all willpower? It had nothing to do with Doom's armor?
So if "sheer willpower" is all that made Doom triumphant over the Beyonder then even Captain America or Hal Jordan (without a ring) would win because they have equal willpower?
Originally posted by TheTyrantDoom has high-level magic, personal adapters that haven't failed in siphoning all kinds of energy, immediate time manipulation abilities built-in to his armor, AND no jobber aura, which allow him to do so much more with his superiority in general. Doom can't help but win this battle.
Apocalypse has technopathy, telekenisis, and shapeshifting, which allow him to do so much more with his superior tech.
Doom can't win this battle.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonWhat exactly is so impressive about his technological feats? Celestials are impressive, yes. Celestial tech should by association also be impressive, yes. What Apocalypse does with Celestial tech... is not as cleanly impressive automatically... unless you're thinking of some specific examples.
Is Doom's tech better than Apoc's tech?
For 2 years, I think Apoc can conjure some pretty powerful weapons using his knowledge of Celestial tech.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Hasn't Doom defeated Sentry once (he's lost once as well, but...) ?
That's nothing to brag about. Sentry stalemated WWH, and WWH would get stomped by even a jobbing Apocalypse 😬Plus as others have pointed out, one-shotting Warlock. Two-shotting Magus.
Magus and Warlock weren't expecting Doom and Kang to show-up. So sneak attack.Apocalypse however has had the edge over guys like Loki, Black Bolt, Cable and High Evolutionary.
Doom might be smarter alot smarter but Apocalypse is too versatile for him and has powers that would greatly help him with his technology and prep. Plus he has 2.5 times as much prep as Doom does.
In HOM, Black Bolt defeated Apocalypse. I don't know of any other occasions in which they fought each other. High Evolutionary was not at full power when Apocalypse defeated him because at full power, the High Evolutionary was able to contend with Galactus. Also, Apocalypse defeated Loki via sheer cunning and trickery. Otherwise, Apocalypse would have lost. Apocalypse defeating Cable is not an impressive feat since Cable was never at full power when contending with Apocalypse. Apocalypse may be more versatile, but that does not determine the outcome of this battle.
Doom has worked with technology similar to, or greater than Celestial Technology. For example, Watcher Technology, Pre-Retcon Beyonder's Technology, etc. Furthermore, he mastered the use of both pretty quickly.
I would love to see this battle, nevertheless. I wonder whose name sounds more menacing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom has high-level magic, personal adapters that haven't failed in siphoning all kinds of energy, immediate time manipulation abilities built-in to his armor, AND no jobber aura, which allow him to do so much more with his superiority in general. Doom can't help but win this battle. What exactly is so impressive about his technological feats? Celestials are impressive, yes. Celestial tech should by association also be impressive, yes. What Apocalypse does with Celestial tech... is not as cleanly impressive automatically... unless you're thinking of some specific examples.
Apocalypse mentally controls his Celestial tech.
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Originally posted by TheTyrantDoom has done more with less.
Hasn't Doom defeated Sentry once (he's lost once as well, but...) ?
That's nothing to brag about. Sentry stalemated WWH, and WWH would get stomped by even a jobbing Apocalypse 😬Plus as others have pointed out, one-shotting Warlock. Two-shotting Magus.
Magus and Warlock weren't expecting Doom and Kang to show-up. So sneak attack.Apocalypse however has had the edge over guys like Loki, Black Bolt, Cable and High Evolutionary.
Doom might be smarter alot smarter but Apocalypse is too versatile for him and has powers that would greatly help him with his technology and prep. Plus he has 2.5 times as much prep as Doom does.
As i have said before if with thousands of years and celestial tech you cant achieve your goals you are pathetic.
Doom has taken over a world starting with litterally nothing more then brains willpower and guts.
