Tulak Hord vs. Marka Ragnos
Who do you think wins? We don't know too much about either one's abilities in combat, but Tulak Hord is said to be the greatest lightsaber duelist of the ancient Sith Lords, and that's saying something, since the ancient Sith make the later Jedi and Sith as "children playing with toys" in comparison to their prowess. Marka Ragnos is a powerful Sith sorcerer though, and he does have that fancy scepter of his, so...
You found this place via Googling KotOR, didn't you?
Kreia's line is worthy of skepticism at best. She didn't live amongst the ancients, and she's a notorious manipulator.
Aside from Ragnos defeating Simus, ruling for a century uncontested, and his ghost spooking Kressh and Sadow, he has no reputable feats. Tulak Hord's even worse with NOTHING to his name other than the word of Liar McDeceptionpants.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You found this place via Googling KotOR, didn't you?
Ha, most recently found it by Googling Marka Ragnos Discussion, as I was looking for a thread somewhere that focused only on him. I have visited this site for a year or two though, but only registered after truly exploring it a few days ago. 😄
As for Kreia... I have no idea why people disregard her. She was the Jedi librarian. She was a historical expert. She'd know a lot about Tulak Hord, and there's no reason for her to wildly invent things about a certain Sith Lord. She was simply telling the Exile history about each Sith in the tombs. It's reliable and accurate information as far as I'm concerned.
As for Marka Ragnos, I think he accomplished quite a lot. He kept the Sith Empire stable and prosperous, he led it into its Golden Age. Sadow messed things up. Ragnos at least was not a fool who rushed into a confrontation with the much larger Republic which doomed the Sith Empire. And as much as I dislike the "Ragnos-Crowned-Kun" retcon, as it stands now Ragnos was the one who effectively brought about the Great Sith War, which safely secured the future of the Sith, for Kun's Sith lived on even after their defeat, and allowed Revan's Sith to rise to power. If Ragnos had not done that, I doubt the Sith would have gained such power for a very long time, if ever.
Originally posted by AncientSithLordWe all know this. All of us.
Ha, most recently found it by Googling Marka Ragnos Discussion, as I was looking for a thread somewhere that focused only on him. I have visited this site for a year or two though, but only registered after truly exploring it a few days ago. 😄As for Kreia... I have no idea why people disregard her. She was the Jedi librarian. She was a historical expert. She'd know a lot about Tulak Hord, and there's no reason for her to wildly invent things about a certain Sith Lord. She was simply telling the Exile history about each Sith in the tombs. It's reliable and accurate information as far as I'm concerned.
As for Marka Ragnos, I think he accomplished quite a lot. He kept the Sith Empire stable and prosperous, he led it into its Golden Age. Sadow messed things up. Ragnos at least was not a fool who rushed into a confrontation with the much larger Republic which doomed the Sith Empire. And as much as I dislike the "Ragnos-Crowned-Kun" retcon, as it stands now Ragnos was the one who effectively brought about the Great Sith War, which safely secured the future of the Sith, for Kun's Sith lived on even after their defeat, and allowed Revan's Sith to rise to power. If Ragnos had not done that, I doubt the Sith would have gained such power for a very long time, if ever.
Kreia was a manipulator and deceiver. She also did not live amidst the Ancient Sith.
Ragnos did things. Hurray. Great combat feat there. Doing stuff and what-not.
Originally posted by AncientSithLordNo it's not. Tulak Hord has NOTHING to his name. Absolutely nothing. Kreia's line about the Ancients being uber swordsman means nothing when there IS nothing to work with.
Nor was I implying you didn't. I was simply making a point; Kreia should know her stuff.But this is somewhat off-topic is it not?
Apart from the fact Tulak Hord was the greatest lightsaber duelist among the ancient Sith, and that he recorded his techniques in a holocron. There's nothing to suggest that's not true, and if we're solely going to rely on detailed OOU explanations, then we'll have to forget about a lot of established Star Wars history etc.
We don't know much about either Tulak Hord or Marka Ragnos. Who cares? This is a forum for fights between various Star Wars characters.
Originally posted by AncientSithLordActually we do forget about a lot hearsay because it's... hearsay. You know who else made a holocron? Everybody who's better and more documented that Tulak "I was mentioned briefly that one time" Hord.
Apart from the fact Tulak Hord was the greatest lightsaber duelist among the ancient Sith, and that he recorded his techniques in a holocron. There's nothing to suggest that's not true, and if we're solely going to rely on detailed OOU explanations, then we'll have to forget about a lot of established Star Wars history etc.
Originally posted by AncientSithLordStay here another week or so. Eventually you'll see that we demand evidence for everything and the most logical conclusion just in case something's missing. This is that forum that will Ignore/Flame you for using your imagination. Empiricism FTW.
We don't know much about either Tulak Hord or Marka Ragnos. Who cares? This is a forum for fights between various Star Wars characters.
Originally posted by AncientSithLord
As for Kreia... I have no idea why people disregard her. She was the Jedi librarian. She was a historical expert. She'd know a lot about Tulak Hord, and there's no reason for her to wildly invent things about a certain Sith Lord. She was simply telling the Exile history about each Sith in the tombs. It's reliable and accurate information as far as I'm concerned.
[quoe]As for Marka Ragnos, I think he accomplished quite a lot. He kept the Sith Empire stable and prosperous, he led it into its Golden Age. Sadow messed things up. Ragnos at least was not a fool who rushed into a confrontation with the much larger Republic which doomed the Sith Empire. And as much as I dislike the "Ragnos-Crowned-Kun" retcon, as it stands now Ragnos was the one who effectively brought about the Great Sith War, which safely secured the future of the Sith, for Kun's Sith lived on even after their defeat, and allowed Revan's Sith to rise to power. If Ragnos had not done that, I doubt the Sith would have gained such power for a very long time, if ever. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how you figure that Ragnos brought about the Great Sith War. MY suggestion to you is, go back to whatever n00b forum you're from and argue nonsense there.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
If she was indeed a Jedi Librarian, that would disqualify her from making any statements regarding the ancient sith, seeing as how (I'm not sure about the shitty continuity) the Jedi didn't exactly talk to them during the Great Hyperspace War, and the Jedi CERTAINLY didn't confront Ragnos or Tulak(they were long dead).[quoe]As for Marka Ragnos, I think he accomplished quite a lot. He kept the Sith Empire stable and prosperous, he led it into its Golden Age. Sadow messed things up. Ragnos at least was not a fool who rushed into a confrontation with the much larger Republic which doomed the Sith Empire. And as much as I dislike the "Ragnos-Crowned-Kun" retcon, as it stands now Ragnos was the one who effectively brought about the Great Sith War, which safely secured the future of the Sith, for Kun's Sith lived on even after their defeat, and allowed Revan's Sith to rise to power. If Ragnos had not done that, I doubt the Sith would have gained such power for a very long time, if ever.
I'm not sure how you figure that Ragnos brought about the Great Sith War. MY suggestion to you is, go back to whatever n00b forum you're from and argue nonsense there. [/B][/QUOTE]
How old are you? No, seriously. You're acting like a 15-year-old backed up in a corner; I recognize I'm new here, but surely you know only a poor debater resorts to petty insults.. You are posting a fair bit of nonsense yourself (Hiding in the Force = creating wounds in the Force? Seriously?) and you don't seem to be even bothered in participating in this particular thread; you haven't even chosen a victor.
As for Ragnos, he made Kun and Qel-Droma cease fighting, crowned Kun as Dark Lord of the Sith and Qel-Droma as his apprentice, and told them to bring about the restoration of the Sith Golden Age. I'd say he had quite a role in bringing about the Great Sith War.
Now please calm down.
How old are you? No, seriously. You're acting like a 15-year-old backed up in a corner. You've barely offered a shred of evidence, are posting a fair bit of nonsense yourself (Hiding in the Force = creating wounds in the Force? Seriously?), and you're already beginning to resort to petty insults. Please explain what your hatred of Kreia has to do with choosing a victor between Tulak Hord and Marka Ragnos.
Gotta love the desperation rebuttal. If I prove something wrong about your character, I must hate him! I get that from Obama supporters all the time.
As for Ragnos, he made Kun and Qel-Droma cease fighting, crowned Kun as Dark Lord of the Sith and Qel-Droma as his apprentice, and told them to bring about the restoration of the Sith Golden Age. I'd say he had quite a role in bringing about the Great Sith War.Now please calm down. [/B]
Haha you go from "bringing about the sith war" to "having a role in it". Which one is it?
Originally posted by AncientSithLordDid you just confuse him with me?
How old are you? No, seriously. You're acting like a 15-year-old backed up in a corner; I recognize I'm new here, but surely you know only a poor debater resorts to petty insults.. You are posting a fair bit of nonsense yourself (Hiding in the Force = creating wounds in the Force? Seriously?) and you don't seem to be even bothered in participating in this particular thread; you haven't even chosen a victor.As for Ragnos, he made Kun and Qel-Droma cease fighting, crowned Kun as Dark Lord of the Sith and Qel-Droma as his apprentice, and told them to bring about the restoration of the Sith Golden Age. I'd say he had quite a role in bringing about the Great Sith War.
Now please calm down.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Hahaha if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black. I'm just doing exactly what you're doing, posting random bullshit and passing it off as fact. Oh wait, I have the DLOTS comics to back me up, as well as common EU knowledge.Gotta love the desperation rebuttal. If I prove something wrong about your character, I must hate him! I get that from Obama supporters all the time.
Haha you go from "bringing about the sith war" to "having a role in it". Which one is it?
I stand corrected. Perhaps you do not hate Kreia. Regardless, my point still stands; let's actually debate who would be the likely victor between Hord and Ragnos, if we debate at all.
As for "bringing about the sith war" and "having a role in it..." Nitpicking words is also not a good case.
Lord_Lucien, I thought you and Dr McBeefington were one and the same?