Kratos and Link run a tag team guantlet

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's a pretty pathetic slow, Link has one of his own, I might add, and you're not going to freeze Link by hitting the master sword, that's just ridiculous. The bolt will be reflected, like any other bolt. Also, Omni Link has a lot of feats to fall back on, including outmatching a character who's fast enough to *jump* on bullets atleast twice.

Call it what you want, it will slow an already slow link to a crawl. Ridiculous? explain? and its not like any other bolt, it does not work on doing damage to the target, it just freezes it.

I would like to see this "jumping" on bullets, not that outmatching him means Link can go anywhere near as fast that character.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Its a good thing Link is using Naru's love.

Surprisingly I know what this is, its a little shield or something right?

What are its feats?

Call it what you want, it will slow an already slow link to a crawl. Ridiculous? explain? and its not like any other bolt, it does not work on doing damage to the target, it just freezes it.

I would like to see this "jumping" on bullets, not that outmatching him means Link can go anywhere near as fast that character.

Surprisingly I know what this is, its a little shield or something right?

What are its feats?

Between Link and Kratos, I'm not sure why you're even trying to argue in Kain's favour.

Making Link invincible.

Dark Link can backflip onto a sword slash in 0.015 seconds

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It's half a second at best.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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It's half a second at best.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dark Link can backflip onto a sword slash in 0.015 seconds, Link still beats him, a fast opponent, which Kain is not, is not going to be hard for Link to hit.

One of Link's many invun spells, this one can stand up to Ganondorf, Kain isn't gettign through it.

This has been countered in other threads by other people, that one slash is not as fast as the great spin and Link beating him just because he can do that is not impressive unless you can prove he is consistently quick in every attack against link. And Kain is quicker than Link easily, with or without time slow.

A no limit fallacy and your using gameplay mechanics for a feat? Ganondorf is not impressive, unless he has more than the feats involving him apprently knocking MS a few feet and killing a sage?

Originally posted by Phanteros
Making Link invincible.

oh I see, so Galactus or the Living tribunal from marvel wouldnt have a chance at damaging it?

This is a no limits fallacy. What are its actual feats?

Nice red herring, But Galactus and LT isn't in this fight. Nor Kain is strong as those two Universe and Multiverse guys. but Nice try to appeal to my comic senses.

A no limit fallacy and your using gameplay mechanics for a feat? Ganondorf is not impressive, unless he has more than the feats involving him apprently knocking MS a few feet and killing a sage?

Busting an island. :]

Also, I lol'd. Kain's so slow his slashes are a full third of a second. Normal human's could outdo that, Link's on another level.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Busting an island. :]

Also, I lol'd. Kain's so slow his slashes are a full third of a second. Normal human's could outdo that, Link's on another level.

In another scene, show me him using exactly the same power at the same level on the shield in a cutscene and you may have something here.

Not in a reaction, a normal human could not even percieve their target and neither could link, he would just about see a blur slicing through him.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Nice red herring, But Galactus and LT isn't in this fight. Nor Kain is strong as them. but Nice try to appeal to my comic senses.

A red herring? a better fallacy you could have called upon is a straw man, I was proving a point and outling your no limit fallacy which you still did not address.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not a counter at all, useless to "high tier" enemies is apprently a counter? no, Bloodshower would kill both Link and Kratos. Ares did not try and mind control Kratos, he used the terror of seeing his family being killed by his own mindless bloodthirst to mentally distrupt him, not control him. Show me him tanking the lightning.

Bosses? so your using gameplay mechanics? and no, it was the only way to harm the Hylden lord when he had the reaver.

I am not just talking about intangibility, Kain can teleport far out of their reach in hardly any time at all. Kain could just pull Kratos from the ground by the head nad leave him struggling in the air with TK. Kain just uses TK to send the blood to Kratos' heart or brain instead of to himself. Easy win against an easy opponent.

Kain would just slice Kratos in half down the middle with the reaver, the energy the reaver gives out would blow him to piecies.

That IS a counter because it is a set power limit for the move. Mind control, what powerful opponent has Kain mind controlled at all? The point was that mind raping has not shown to be effective. Still this is a question mark, and I'll leave that open for now.

Show you the lightning tanking? Nah. Someone else can link to it, it happens in the very first level, but just to annoy you I'll ask that you see it in game. Because it is truly an awesome spectacle when it happens.

You simply can't designate bosses as a game mechanic for what I mentioned. Immolate can one shot lesser foes, but it can't for bosses. That's a demonstration of its use against higher scaling powers, canonical as bosses are > regular enemies, thus its less effective against them. As for the Hylden Lord, I believe he can dodge them at least, and that maybe what I confused it with. Regardless, Kratos still has the burn tanking that I mentioned.

Kain's physical strength is far too below Kratos to drag him into the ground. By feats, Kratos is millions of times above Kain in the strength department, naturally, he has some monumental feats in GoW3.

No, Kain cannot cut Kratos in half. As I said before, Kratos tanks some PSI delivery from beings far above Kain in physical strength.
Slash him, stab him, in whatever way he may try, Kain will not be able to cut Kratos. You'll see it for yourself, hell, one of the instances was already mentioned in this thread.

The shield stands up to things more impressive than Kain, anything beyond that is moot.

Originally posted by Burning thought
A red herring? a better fallacy you could have called upon is a straw man, I was proving a point and outling your no limit fallacy which you still did not address. [/B]

Pretty much what Phanteros said. :]

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That IS a counter because it is a set power limit for the move. Mind control, what powerful opponent has Kain mind controlled at all? The point was that mind raping has not shown to be effective. Still this is a question mark, and I'll leave that open for now.

Show you the lightning tanking? Nah. Someone else can link to it, it happens in the very first level, but just to annoy you I'll ask that you see it in game. Because it is truly an awesome spectacle when it happens.

You simply can't designate bosses as a game mechanic for what I mentioned. Immolate can one shot lesser foes, but it can't for bosses. That's a demonstration of its use against higher scaling powers, canonical as bosses are > regular enemies, thus its less effective against them. Regardless, Kratos still has the burn tanking that I mentioned.

Kain's physical strength is far too below Kratos to drag him into the ground. By feats, Kratos is millions of times above Kain in the strength department, naturally, he has some monumental feats in GoW3.

No, Kain cannot cut Kratos in half. As I said before, Kratos tanks some PSI delivery from beings far above Kain in physical strength.
Slash him, stab him, in whatever way he may try, Kain will not be able to cut Kratos. You'll see it for yourself, hell, one of the instances was already mentioned in this thread.

Your making the assertion that its a set power level, and you should prove why Kratos can somehow randomly resist this power that he has never faced anything like before. I am not sure Kain has mind controlled anyone "powerful", fortunaltey nobody against him in this thread has mental technique against mind control, least of all Kratos.

I see.....well if its in GoW 3 I will see it myself soon.

I can, because the term "boss" is just a title for any special character at a given moment with a health bar. The fact the games mechanic does not allow you to one hit them, mind control them does not give them feats or downplay the power itself. Thats not always true, in canon some bosses such as those in Blood omen are just normal humans in some cases with a few special powers, that does not automatically give them mind resistance because you cannot mind control them, or immunity to soul powers.

I dont know, he must have some really major ones, Gow 1 and 2 as I recall has few real feats that puts him far above. He would also need durability feats for physcial attack.

Youve said but until you either provide the evidence or I have seen it in GoW 3 then its pretty useless.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The shield stands up to things more impressive than Kain, anything beyond that is moot.

Cutscene plez?

Originally posted by Phanteros
I did address it. Kain is not strong as them.

This is a red herring now, your trying to argue Kains not as strong as the characters I used to prove a point instead of actually providing evidence that the shield can withstand anything at all.

Boss character are stronger than fodder enemies. It has always been that way.

Originally posted by Burning thought
A viable option for Zeus.

Useless because the wave that BFR the titans is just that, a large wave. Show me evidence of it effecting weather like the mist form Kain can take and then I can counter again by saying Kain teleports over/onto Kratos. not to mension the charge time, Zues raised the weapon in the air and it flashed with energy for a fairly long time (for Kain at least).

Which he did via the weapon, hence Kratos can also repeat the feat. It'd be significantly easier for Kratos too, as he isn't affecting a number of enemies that are all larger than Kain.

Except he won't be trying to BFR a large number of enemies. He'll be trying to BFR one pathetic Vampire. There also won't be a charge time due to the above.

Affecting Mist form? Lulz, it can destroy intangible beings. Show me evidence of Kain remaining in Mist form for more than 30 seconds to avoid the BFR move, and then I'll just counter it by saying that Kratos could attack and neuter him with the BoO.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Boss character are stronger than fodder enemies. It has always been that way.

Yes they are, they have more hitpoints, sometimes have harder to block abilities and can hit faster. Unfortunatly gameplay mechanics and balance is not canon.

Yes they are, they have more hitpoints, sometimes have harder to block abilities and can hit faster. Unfortunatly gameplay mechanics and balance is not canon.

Good thing canon Ganon destroys islands.

Originally posted by Burning thought

This is a red herring now, your trying to argue Kains not as strong as the characters I used to prove a point instead of actually providing evidence that the shield can withstand anything at all.

it point is that Kain isn't strong enough to by bypass the shield if Ganondorf can not.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Which he did via the weapon, hence Kratos can also repeat the feat. It'd be significantly easier for Kratos too, as he isn't affecting a number of enemies that are all larger than Kain.

Except he won't be trying to BFR a large number of enemies. He'll be trying to BFR one pathetic Vampire. There also won't be a charge time due to the above.

Affecting Mist form? Lulz, it can destroy intangible beings. Show me evidence of Kain remaining in Mist form for more than 30 seconds to avoid the BFR move, and then I'll just counter it by saying that Kratos could attack and neuter him with the BoO.

So your assuming the weapon is the only component in that power, and that Zeus had nothing to do with it? a human could just pick it up and use all those powers? your also assuming its power can be somehow automatically scaled/made quicker for less opponents? hellava lot for you to prove here.

One faster, more magically powerful and advanced vampire who could cut his head off before he even starts to think about charging anything. 😉 Also pretending your mocking ignorence I could simply say all of Kains powers are instant and take no time at all because he is fighting one pathetic Spartan.

Make up your mind, are you using the swords slashing powers of striking foes or are you using its BFR wave that only Zeus has used in the past, takes a long time to charge and has only worked on physical entities?

kains faser than Kratos at base, ignoring time slow and other powers.

Originally posted by Phanteros
That's because Kain isn't powerful as them. You the one you used that attempted No limit fallacy on here first.

it point is that Kain isn't strong enough to by bypass the shield if Ganondorf can not.

Show me Ganondorf caonnically striking the shield.