Originally posted by Burning thought
So your assuming the weapon is the only component in that power, and that Zeus had nothing to do with it? a human could just pick it up and use all those powers? your also assuming its power can be somehow automatically scaled/made quicker for less opponents? hellava lot for you to prove here.One faster, more magically powerful and advanced vampire who could cut his head off before he even starts to think about charging anything. 😉 Also pretending your mocking ignorence I could simply say all of Kains powers are instant and take no time at all because he is fighting one pathetic Spartan.
Make up your mind, are you using the swords slashing powers of striking foes or are you using its BFR wave that only Zeus has used in the past, takes a long time to charge and has only worked on physical entities?
kains faser than Kratos at base, ignoring time slow and other powers.
1. Kratos is not a human. Apparently Kratos can and did. humans are weaker than titans so yeah.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Canonically a boss is obviously going to be stronger than the fodder enemies, otherwise its not a boss.
Your sort of trying to claim that every boss in every game is stronger than normal enemies, this is not the case in canon. Many games have you facing normal humans, only for their leader (a boss) to not only be a normal human but can apprently take clips full of SMG fire to take down. These are all gameplay mechanics.
Originally posted by Phanteros
1. Kratos is not a human. Apparently Kratos can and did. humans are weaker than titans so yeah.
1. Well done, hes never been one either, hes a demigod and at one point God enhanced with various powers. Where are you trying to go with these statements exactly?
Originally posted by Phanteros
So what your telling me is that Ganondorf can die like a normal enemy despite being stronger? In those games they are humans but we are talking about superhumans.
Nah, Ganondorf needs feats for his powers, thats what I am telling you. Claiming a character as a "boss" to try and give it any advantages is pointless.
No were not, Blood omen has a large number of human enemies without any feats. In gameplay however their somehow immune to all the one hit kill powers despite not having powers to support this. But anyway this is a pointless argument thats not really relevant.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So your assuming the weapon is the only component in that power, and that Zeus had nothing to do with it? a human could just pick it up and use all those powers? your also assuming its power can be somehow automatically scaled/made quicker for less opponents? hellava lot for you to prove here.
Considering Zeus has never displayed that power when he doesn't have the weapon, I'd say yes, it's the weapon.
It depends on whether or not the wielder is powerful enough, and Kratos is.
Okay, say it cannot be scaled down, and it still requires that two-three second charge, Kratos still has Link to defend him, amigo. Kain isn't fast enough to avoid the wave and try and attack Kratos at the same time. If you think he is, show me proof.
Originally posted by Burning thought
One faster, more magically powerful and advanced vampire who could cut his head off before he even starts to think about charging anything. 😉 Also pretending your mocking ignorence I could simply say all of Kains powers are instant and take no time at all because he is fighting one pathetic Spartan.
Right, because he has always cuts the heads off his opponents.
Show me proof that Kain attempts and succeeds in cutting the heads off his opponents as powerful as him, or in your view, opponents almost as powerful as him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Make up your mind, are you using the swords slashing powers of striking foes or are you using its BFR wave that only Zeus has used in the past, takes a long time to charge and has only worked on physical entities?
What the? Do you see me asking you to make up your mind on whether Kain is going to attempt Blood Shower or his mind control to deal with his opponents.
Originally posted by Burning thought
kains faser than Kratos at base, ignoring time slow and other powers.
Show me proof that he's faster than Kratos at base.
Taking into account other powers, Kratos is faster.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Considering Zeus has never displayed that power when he doesn't have the weapon, I'd say yes, it's the weapon.It depends on whether or not the wielder is powerful enough, and Kratos is.
Okay, say it cannot be scaled down, and it still requires that two-three second charge, Kratos still has Link to defend him, amigo. Kain isn't fast enough to avoid the wave and try and attack Kratos at the same time. If you think he is, show me proof.
Right, because he has always cut the heads off his opponents.
Show me proof that Kain attempts to cut the heads off his opponents as powerful as him, or in your view, opponents almost as powerful as him.What the? Do you see me asking you to make up your mind of whether Kain is going to attempt Blood Shower or his mind control to deal with his opponents.
Show me proof that he's faster than Kratos at base.
Taking into account other powers, Kratos is faster.
You would say yes, but you could never prove that the power is solely the weapon. Afterall Zeus did actually craft the weapon, with his own powers of heaven and those of earth if I recall.
Again, this is a bold assumption. Your sort of using your opinion as an argument rather than facts for your support.
So Kain just teleports behind Kratos who BFR a defending Link by accident? the wave of the BoO only went in one direction and Links not going to protect him.
The slower teleports in this vid:
Would be more than enough to just bypass the wave. Its not that fast, its just large.
Your asking for proof that Kain can cut off heads? you know Kains got a sword and arms to use it right? 😬
Well you need to make up your mind because your trying to combine powers. Are you suggesting hes using the huge wave, in which case Kain can go mist form, theres nothing to suggest it will BFR mist, clouds, the terrain etc. It only BFR the titans.
At 1:08, he would do that to Link and Kratos, neither would know whats hit them as I am not sure I have seen them show quicker than human reaction time.
Originally posted by Burning thought
You would say yes, but you could never prove that the power is solely the weapon. Afterall Zeus did actually craft the weapon, with his own powers of heaven and those of earth if I recall.
Okay, so tell me, you posted a video of Kain teleporting. Does Kain ever teleport using the Dimension Fragment's power, but without the Reaver? Or does he need the Reaver to activate said ability. If so, it must the be Fragment's and in turn, the Reaver's ability, not Kain's. Get my drift, or would you like more proof?
Nahh, not his own powers. "Forged of the Heaven (Ouranus) and the Earth (Gaia)" is not his power. He's just the blacksmith, their power is the material.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Again, this is a bold assumption. Your sort of using your opinion as an argument rather than facts for your support.
Which is something you should be extremely accustomed to yes?
Originally posted by Burning thought
So Kain just teleports behind Kratos who BFR a defending Link by accident? the wave of the BoO only went in one direction and Links not going to protect him.
Nahh, the wave never BFR'd the Gods, only the Titans. It's selective. You want proof that it is selective?
Originally posted by Burning thought
The slower teleports in this vid:Would be more than enough to just bypass the wave. Its not that fast, its just large.
Of course, covering a battlefield with a radius that is a few miles long in seconds, is slow.
Damn, Kain must be a tortoise compared to that wave then.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Your asking for proof that Kain can cut off heads? you know Kains got a sword and arms to use it right? 😬
And he'll be up against two other fighters who have swords and arms to use them 😬. Kain will get his head cut off instead.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well you need to make up your mind because your trying to combine powers. Are you suggesting hes using the huge wave, in which case Kain can go mist form, theres nothing to suggest it will BFR mist, clouds, the terrain etc. It only BFR the titans.
The mere fact that it didn't BFR the gods shows that it's selective. If it can affect the Titans (Gaia included who is in a way, the Earth itself), it can easily affect the Terrain. Clouds, pssh, Clouds are still physical, as is Kain's Mist form. Intangible, but still physical.
Show me proof that Kain's mist form is not tied to the Physical world and is not physical matter.
Originally posted by Burning thought
YouTube videoAt 1:08, he would do that to Link and Kratos, neither would know whats hit them as I am not sure I have seen them show quicker than human reaction time.
Lulz, Link and Kratos have not shown faster than human reaction times? ScreamPaste needs to read this.
Since you have not seen them show faster than human reaction feats, I suppose you in fact do not know much about these series, even though you "claim" to.
You want proof as usual no? I suppose SC can post his infamous Dark Link ass-hopping (I prefer that term SC 😛) onto Link's sword. Of course to you, that's not a reaction feat, merely an average hop, as every human could jump on a sword swung by someone who is as fast as Link.
YouTube video
(3:32 - 3:51)
Oh that's right, I forgot. Humans regularly avoid the fists of 30 story beings, and they regularly punch chains while in mid-air.
YouTube video
(3:38 - 5:20)
Kratos free-falling down the middle of Mount Olympus and avoiding multiple pillars shows multiple reaction feats. Heck, Kratos flying up the middle of Mount Olympus while next to the same Chain of Balance shows multiple reactions feats as well.
Oh wait, humans also regularly engage in free-falling down and flying up extremely tall mountains, all the while avoiding numerous obstacles in their path.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Okay, so tell me, you posted a video of Kain teleporting. Does Kain ever teleport using the Dimension Fragment's power, but without the Reaver? Or does he need the Reaver to activate said ability. If so, it must the be Fragment's and in turn, the Reaver's ability, not Kain's. Get my drift, or would you like more proof?Nahh, not his own powers. "Forged of the Heaven (Ouranus) and the Earth (Gaia)" is not his power. He's just the blacksmith, their power is the material.
Which is something you should be extremely accustomed to yes?
Nahh, the wave never BFR'd the Gods, only the Titans. It's selective. You want proof that it is selective?
Of course, covering a battlefield with a radius that is a few miles long in seconds, is slow.
Damn, Kain must be a tortoise compared to that wave then.
And he'll be up against two other fighters who have swords and arms to use them 😬. Kain will get his head cut off instead.
The mere fact that it didn't BFR the gods shows that it's selective. If it can affect the Titans (Gaia included who is in a way, the Earth itself), it can easily affect the Terrain. Clouds, pssh, Clouds are still physical, as is Kain's Mist form. Intangible, but still physical.
Show me proof that Kain's mist form is not tied to the Physical world and is not physical matter.
Lulz, Link and Kratos have not shown faster than human reaction times? ScreamPaste needs to read this.
Since you have not seen them show faster than human reaction feats, I suppose you in fact do not know much about these series, even though you "claim" to.
You want proof as usual no? I suppose SC can post his infamous Dark Link ass-hopping (I prefer that term SC 😛) onto Link's sword. Of course to you, that's not a reaction feat, merely an average hop, as every human could jump on a sword swung by someone who is as fast as Link.
YouTube video
(3:32 - 3:51)Oh that's right, I forgot. Humans regularly avoid the fists of 30 story beings, and they regularly punch chains while in mid-air.
YouTube video
(3:38 - 5:20)Kratos free-falling down the middle of Mount Olympus and avoiding multiple pillars shows multiple reaction feats. Heck, Kratos flying up the middle of Mount Olympus while next to the same Chain of Balance shows multiple reactions feats as well.
Oh wait, humans also regularly engage in free-falling down and flying up extremely tall mountains, all the while avoiding numerous obstacles in their path.
Kain teleports without activating the reaver at the end of Defiance. Not that its relevant, he always has the reaver.
He crafted it from those things, hints to him being able to control them to some degree. Not any old joe could craft that weapon, Kratos has never been shown to be capable.
Yes, people try and use it against me all the time.
A large and predictable wave coming towards him<one teleport.
Only Kains quicker due to evidence.
Thats not proof its selective, only that it did not affect the Gods, not evidence that he could have transported the clouds in the sky, or the earth their standing on. Clouds, oxygen, energy in the air are also all present but theres no evidence it removes all of those things.
Nah not in canon.
No I have played Gow 1 and 2. I assume however that your about to post evidence that you think is impressive?
No to me its just a gameplay mechanic, the sword swung slower than the great spin he is trying to base it on and Link beating a character can do that is not a speed feat according to scream:
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
gameplay defeats arent' feats
I admit I have not played chains of Olmypus, but thats not impressive reaction time. Hes not showing himself capable at reacting to 0.2 speeds or showing that his perception is above the human 0.5 second gap. Titans are slow despite their size. Also him falling through Olmypus is not reaction either.
Humans cannot, but not because their necesserily slow, their just not strong enough to swing blades out like Kratos can, and they dont have bravery+1. Thats still not a series of feats that put him above a human in reaction time, just in strength. Hes only reacting to titans and obstacles.
Originally posted by The ScenarioSomeone tell me what stops Link from sucking up Kain's mist form.
Your tactic is Link putting his sword aside/on his back, letting his guard down to pull out a cumbsome and obvious object like that when it would take Kain a fraction of a second simply to reform physical again and kill him in a teleport slash? "sigh"
Originally posted by BloodRain
Overall Kratos>Kain
Not at all, Kain has a larger variety of vastly more powerful magical attacks than Kratos, is far quicker physically and can use powers Kratos has no defence against. Kratos has nothing on Kain apart from strength.
And how do you propose they defend against Starkillers force powers?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not at all, Kain has a larger variety of vastly more powerful magical attacks than Kratos, is far quicker physically and can use powers Kratos has no defence against. Kratos has nothing on Kain apart from strength.And how do you propose they defend against Starkillers force powers?
Not physically quicker, especially not with Hermes' Winged Boots. But his magic could be the decider.
Link is (iirc) resistant to TK, and Kratos can still move when held by TK to an extent. Force for Kratos, Electricity and sabre will be trouble for them both.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Not physically quicker, especially not with Hermes' Winged Boots. But his magic could be the decider.Link is (iirc) resistant to TK, and Kratos can still move when held by TK to an extent. Force for Kratos, Electricity and sabre will be trouble for them both.
Then thats not really "physically", at that point he was magically enhanced. His normal physical speed is slow however.
Nah hes not, the fans only claim he is because his enemies just so happen to decide not to use TK on him. Not really, he wont be able to do much when wriggling by the neck.