void vs surfer

Surfer's feat of evolving a plaent billions of years is far more impressive than all of Voids destructive work.

plus, Surfer nonchalently wiped out a planet just as a demonstration to Ravenous of how serious Surfer could be... imo people are too underrating Surfer, he's a lot more powerful now.

take for example what he told BRB in their brief exchanged, to the effect of "don't bother getting up, you can't beat me"... Surfer's never that cocky, if anything he is forever underestimating himself... under-utilising his abilities, doubting his power - there are instances where he's gone into situations thinking he's sure to die only to find that the Power Cosmic's far more powerful than he had thought.

imo Surfer would tank everything we've seen Void do so far, the only thing I'd worry about is whether or not the Void can "infect" Surfer in some fashion.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Void wins this every time. It's a bit asinine to argue otherwise in my opinion as I don't know how Marvel could make it any more clearer that his a cosmic god of basic omnipotent power. Maybe they really should have shown Void beating Galactus.

Anyways, due to the recent fight in Siege, Silver Surfer stands more of a chance in my eyes as Thor actually held his own against the Void. Longer than I would have had expected him to.

Marvel hasn't given a clear position on Void/Sentry yet. the closest they came is when Sentry was stated as the most powerful hero on the planet only to get busted by WWH.

all we have to go on is one very very impressive feat (the fight with MM) and one cool feat (ripping Ares in half) and one not particularly impressive feat (creaming Thor, something which Rulk and old Savage Hulk did too).

the MM feat could be the result of several things, MM's mental self-limitation, Sentry's particular molecules, underestimation/stupidity on the part of MM etc ...

Surfer's tanked UniLord who was god in his own dimension and who was smashing Surfer to atoms ...

Originally posted by janus77
they could make it clear that Void is more powerful by letting Void smash Surfer's face with his own board ... of course there'd still be "asinine" people arguing about how the writer must have been wrong or the artist exaggerating the intentions of the writer ... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer's feat of evolving a plaent billions of years is far more impressive than all of Voids destructive work.

plus, Surfer nonchalently wiped out a planet just as a demonstration to Ravenous of how serious Surfer could be... imo people are too underrating Surfer, he's a lot more powerful now.

take for example what he told BRB in their brief exchanged, to the effect of "don't bother getting up, you can't beat me"... Surfer's never that cocky, if anything he is forever underestimating himself... under-utilising his abilities, doubting his power - there are instances where he's gone into situations thinking he's sure to die only to find that the Power Cosmic's far more powerful than he had thought.

imo Surfer would tank everything we've seen Void do so far, the only thing I'd worry about is whether or not the Void can "infect" Surfer in some fashion.

Void seems to be much more formidable than the Surfer.

if I'm not mistaken, Hulk has smashed bits of Asgard before, it's susceptible to physical attack... Hulk does things one brick at a time, Surfer merely raises an eyebrow and ALL bricks atomise.

it's not much of a feat... the BRB thing was to show just how ridiculously Surfer is being underestimated. BRB was dismissed by Surfer, with indecent ease...

Surfer, in Thor's position would merely need to think it and every stone of Asgard would be back in place. it's a huge difference in power and scale...

MM dispersed Sentry's molecules and dismissed Sentry totally, he didn't think that Sentry could reform, so wasn't expecting the attack... that's not even going into the question of what sort of state MM is in now, how much self-limiting he is...

Originally posted by janus77
if I'm not mistaken, Hulk has smashed bits of Asgard before, it's susceptible to physical attack... Hulk does things one brick at a time, Surfer merely raises an eyebrow and ALL bricks atomise.

it's not much of a feat... the BRB thing was to show just how ridiculously Surfer is being underestimated. BRB was dismissed by Surfer, with indecent ease...

Surfer, in Thor's position would merely need to think it and every stone of Asgard would be back in place. it's a huge difference in power and scale...

MM dispersed Sentry's molecules and dismissed Sentry totally, he didn't think that Sentry could reform, so wasn't expecting the attack... that's not even going into the question of what sort of state MM is in now, how much self-limiting he is...

We need to wait and see how he is defeated in issue 4 until we can further know how you can defeat him. I kinda have my theory already but until the book comes out at this point in time I don't see anything the Surfer can do while the Void can blink him out any time he wants.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did reform which the Surfer cannot do and he did also overpower him at his own game. Handling BrB isn't indicative of beating the Void. Surfer hasn't shown the powerset to be in the Void's ballpark here imo.

We need to wait and see how he is defeated in issue 4 until we can further know how you can defeat him. I kinda have my theory already but until the book comes out at this point in time I don't see anything the Surfer can do while the Void can blink him out any time he wants.

it's Void who has yet to show the power necessary to handle the Surfer, imo.

MM said Sentry's molecules "taste different", which could be the reason why MM lost the match, MM isn't bright nor particularly proficient in all his powers - it's part of the character.

also, Sentry did beat Void and Sentry has at best demonstrated power nearly matching WWH.... so we have a maximum power-range setout there.

Void can't blink out Surfer, he could barely deal with a swarm of Doom bugs!

the Void looks just like a high-herald matter manipulator running wild... impressive and powerful but, only because other high heralds aren't that way inclined.

like the Cosmic cube beings and how impressive they seem, only because Galactus isn't inclined to mess with the universe.

To be honest, I'm surprised Asgard lasted as long as it has. It's a floating castle, granted, which is super cool, but it's just that. I think anyone with sufficient rock breaking abilities would be able to take it down. Sentry just did it super fast.

It's made out of Asgardian stones

Asgardian stones > pre crisis stones > normal stones

Originally posted by Parmaniac
It's made out of Asgardian stones

Asgardian stones > pre crisis stones > normal stones

Originally posted by Parmaniac
It's made out of Asgardian stones

Asgardian stones > pre crisis stones > normal stones

Originally posted by janus77
they could make it clear that Void is more powerful by letting Void smash Surfer's face with his own board ... of course there'd still be "asinine" people arguing about how the writer must have been wrong or the artist exaggerating the intentions of the writer ... 😖hifty:

Marvel hasn't given a clear position on Void/Sentry yet. the closest they came is when Sentry was stated as the most powerful hero on the planet only to get busted by WWH.

all we have to go on is one very very impressive feat (the fight with MM) and one cool feat (ripping Ares in half) and one not particularly impressive feat (creaming Thor, something which Rulk and old Savage Hulk did too).

the MM feat could be the result of several things, MM's mental self-limitation, Sentry's particular molecules, underestimation/stupidity on the part of MM etc ...

Surfer's tanked UniLord who was god in his own dimension and who was smashing Surfer to atoms ...

Sentry wanted to lose to World War Hulk as far as I could tell and since his power set fluctuates on his mental state, that means a lot. That was standard brick Sentry unleashing his power.

And despite popular belief on this board, Silver Surfer would not have an easy time with the Hulk either. I'd say the Green Scar would beat Norrin down if he got up close.

Creaming Thor is not an impressive feat? Excuse me but Thor has creamed the Silver Surfer about 3 times. And Rulk was using his energy absorbing powers in the first fight. That Rulk also creamed the Silver Surfer by the way. Albeit he was inexperienced.

Savage Hulk only beat Thor once and that was during the recent fight which had circumstances.

Now your just finding reasons to downplay Sentry's feat. It was made specifically clear that Sentry is more powerful than the Molecule Man.

You mean when he absorbed his power through the Black body?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sentry wanted to lose to World War Hulk as far as I could tell and since his power set fluctuates on his mental state, that means a lot. That was standard brick Sentry unleashing his power.

And despite popular belief on this board, Silver Surfer would not have an easy time with the Hulk either. I'd say the Green Scar would beat Norrin down if he got up close.

Creaming Thor is not an impressive feat? Excuse me but Thor has creamed the Silver Surfer about 3 times. And Rulk was using his energy absorbing powers in the first fight. That Rulk also creamed the Silver Surfer by the way. Albeit he was inexperienced.

Savage Hulk only beat Thor once and that was during the recent fight which had circumstances.

Now your just finding reasons to downplay Sentry's feat. It was made specifically clear that Sentry is more powerful than the Molecule Man.

You mean when he absorbed his power through the Black body?

you can read into a comic whatever you want (as you've done), but Sentry never said that and, moreover, he did say that he was unleashing full power on Hulk ... he was expecting Hulk to die (hence the "forgive me ..." stuff).

Rulk is a fraction of Hulk's power, the same power that WBH was unleashing... The Leader used that to create all the Red Hulks. and Rulk did not absorb anyone's power when he near-murdered Thor, he just flat out beat the shit out of Thor, dumped him on the moon and went off to fight someone else.

Surfer has done far better against Hulk than Thor, always has always will... he has taken on a mindless Hulk, he has taken on Green Scar (and the Warbound) and he was winning, he has taken on Savage Hulk, everytime he has overpowered or out strengthed Hulk, he has dominated.

this is just one plank of the argument, Surfer's abilities at global-scale matter manipulation, his facility for absorbing and taking power from any energy source is yet another reason why he would take on Sentry/Void well ...

Originally posted by janus77
also, Sentry did beat Void and Sentry has at best demonstrated power nearly matching WWH.... so we have a maximum power-range setout there.

You keep bringing up the WWH story but I dont think you comprehend what really happened there. I hope you do realize that Sentry lost that fight on purpose. I also hope you realize that the Sentry just stood there laughing while WWH was busting his head open. Sentry didnt try to dodge any of his punches. In all fairness, if Bob was really trying to win that fight, I think he could of and rather easily at that.

As for the Surfer, I still dont think he would be able to treat Thor like the Void just did. Thor was nothing to him and damn lucky that Norman called the Void when he did, but I suppose there is next issue so who knows what might happen.

Originally posted by tkitna
You keep bringing up the WWH story but I dont think you comprehend what really happened there. I hope you do realize that Sentry lost that fight on purpose. I also hope you realize that the Sentry just stood there laughing while WWH was busting his head open. Sentry didnt try to dodge any of his punches. In all fairness, if Bob was really trying to win that fight, I think he could of and rather easily at that.

As for the Surfer, I still dont think he would be able to treat Thor like the Void just did. Thor was nothing to him and damn lucky that Norman called the Void when he did, but I suppose there is next issue so who knows what might happen.

I dont get this, do you really think the void couldnt have taken out the wwh with ease? Its CIS that limits bob, but the character has been through a lot, his powerset has been retconeed and his mentality has changed too.

Originally posted by janus77
replace "realise" with "interpret" ..

We'll use whatever word you want to to describe how you didnt understand. Doesnt matter to me.

. and no, Sentry didn't just stand there, he traded blows. big mistake with Hulk, but proof that Sentry's total power output is not up to the job.

Yes, Sentry did just stand there the majority of the fight releasing energy while the Hulk was beating on him. The only time he hit the Hulk was just to goad him into fighting more. Even on this first scan you see the Sentry say Good when he gets punched. It shouldnt be that hard to comprehend.

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Now as you can see The Sentry was even talking while getting bashed in the face. The Hulk accelerated the process while being a target that could take the energy although Bob did think he was going to kill him at the end. Not hard to understand. If you want to count the bitchslaps that the Sentry handed to Hulk to antagonize him further as punching back, then by all means be my guest.

Originally posted by janus77
Sentry wanted a pony too 😐
damned Marvel writers, never give Sentry what he wants, so he has to go psycho and attempt to beat his frustrations out on Hulk ...

Eh? Sentry's powers clearly fluctuate depending on his mental state.

Originally posted by janus77
you can read into a comic whatever you want (as you've done), but Sentry never said that and, moreover, he did say that he was unleashing full power on Hulk ... he was expecting Hulk to die (hence the "forgive me ..." stuff).

Sentry clearly wanted to lose. He even thanks Bruce in the end. It's one of the reasons he stood there and took a beating from the Hulk. Green Scar got like 4 free face shots. Green Scar beat the standard Sentry going all out. It's very, very impressive mind you, but it's pretty clear that is beyond the Hulk. It's evident even in his first mini.

Originally posted by janus77
Rulk is a fraction of Hulk's power, the same power that WBH was unleashing... The Leader used that to create all the Red Hulks. and Rulk did not absorb anyone's power when he near-murdered Thor, he just flat out beat the shit out of Thor, dumped him on the moon and went off to fight someone else

I thought it was explained that Leader and his team re-created the circumstances of when the beam hit Hulk and created Rulk by calculating out precisely how it happened and how to recreate it using the combined brainpower of the smartest people on the planet. I think it was in Incredible Hulk #6 or something of the sort. I'm not %100 sure though. I don't give a shit about what's happening in the Hulk world right now.

It was made clear that Rulk was absorbing Thor's power. That's why even Loeb was hinting about Rulk's yet unrevealed power after he fought Thor. Tom the head Editor in Marvel even confirmed recently about how Rulk was also absorbing whatever piece of Odin Force Thor was keeping inside of him.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer has done far better against Hulk than Thor, always has always will... he has taken on a mindless Hulk, he [b]has taken on Green Scar (and the Warbound) and he was winning, he has taken on Savage Hulk, everytime he has overpowered or out strengthed Hulk, he has dominated.[/B]

And Thor has also taken on a Mindless Hulk. So what?

Unlike Thor, Norrin uses his other powers against the Hulk. He fairs better because of that. I've seen the Hulk bring Norrin to his knees in a single hit after withstanding energy attacks from him. Norrin was ultimately unhurt though.

Norrin would not fair well in an up close fight against an enraged Hulk.

Warbound are nothing special despite the Pak hype. Both the Hulk and Norrin where weakened in that arc but Norrin went through the worm hole earlier than the Hulk. He had more time to recover from it's effects. Unfortunately the disk allowed him to access the Power Cosmic in that fight.

Originally posted by janus77
this is just one plank of the argument, Surfer's abilities at global-scale matter manipulation, his facility for absorbing and taking power from any energy source is yet another reason why he would take on Sentry/Void well ...

Yes because Thor doesn't have abilities on the global scale and also lacks energy absorbing/draining powers right?

Sentry was saying "Goodbye old friend" as the energies swirled and he completely lost control to the power. the attacks had ceased to be punches and slaps and instead were energy attacks - as the 'sound effects' that accompany them show.

as you should also note, Hulk talks whilst punching too, it's the way the battle needed to be depicted to carry forward the Hulk-Sentry parallels.

the point is that Sentry didn't go out to die, he went out to unleash, having attempted to fully unleash his power upon Hulk, he tired/burned out.

that is his top end, fully unleashed against a character.

Not anymore, it's not, and the wwh arc was ripe with pis