Old Snake vs. Charizard

Here's a vid showing Charizard's fire breath's effect on ice.

1:30 - 2:50
YouTube video

Charizard casually sculpted a bobsled in seconds, this implies extreme control of his fire. More feats. It's also worth noting Ash's Zard is a wimp.

I think that Charizard "accidentally" sculpted a bobsled rather than "casually". Ash survived a flame attack from Charizard that sculpted a bobsled in seconds.

K, Ash does that shit all the time, I don't see your point? And I don't see how he could accidentally sculpt a bobsled.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Charizard casually sculpted a bobsled in seconds, this implies extreme control of his fire. More feats. It's also worth noting Ash's Zard is a wimp.

He was able to take on Entei at one point, though, IIRC.

He was able to take on Entei at one point, though, IIRC.

1. If a child can survive a flame attack from Charizard, it's only natural to think that a guy who can tank missiles, bullets, etc would be a bit better off against the same magnitude of attack. Also, Ash dodged Charizard's flame.

2. Charizard seemed to be trying to hit Ash, not the sled.

Rule of funny. Ash also survives thunder strikes and explosions and shit. 😐 The heat of a flame that can not just melt, but evaporate ice at that speed, would kill Snake.

Also, if it was accidental, how'd he get a perfect sled?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Rule of funny. Ash also survives thunder strikes and explosions and shit. 😐 The heat of a flame that can not just melt, but evaporate ice at that speed, would kill Snake.

Also, if it was accidental, how'd he get a perfect sled?

1. You aren't trying to say "toonforce", are you? 😛
Ash isn't the only one to do stuff like that. Other pokemon survive and dodge it regularly, as well as other people.

2. Charizard is spitting entire pillars of flame at Ash. Ash dodges up, Charizard points up. Ash dodges down, Charizard points down. Ash is clearly the target, not the sled. So, you tell me, because I don't have a sensible answer for you.

Ash isn't the only one to do stuff like that. Other pokemon survive and dodge it regularly,

2. Charizard is spitting entire pillars of flame at Ash. Ash dodges up, Charizard points up. Ash dodges down, Charizard points down. Ash is clearly the target, not the sled. So, you tell me, because I don't have a sensible answer for you.

Pkmn are uber, aren't they?

Nah, Charizard is definitely aiming at Ash. There is no arguing that.

I'm arguing it. It's clear he doesn't give a shit if Ash is in the way, but Charizard is clearly sculpting a sled.

Nah, the sled being sculpted was a by-product of attacking Ash.

That's beyond retarded. 😐

I don't see how any of this is going to save Snake?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's beyond retarded. 😐

I don't see how any of this is going to save Snake?

Retarded, yes, but that's what happened. Cartoons can be retarded sometimes.

Snake is inside Metal Gear Rex, which will protect him from flame breath regardless of whether or not he can take it in his human form. No one has presented a way for Charizard to get close enough for long enough to use his flames effectively without getting owned.

I did.

Charizard is easily fast enough and powerful enough to destroy the Rex.

1. Can Charizard tank the missiles, lasers, bullets and overall firepower of Metal Gear? Can Charizard outrun a bullet?

2. Should Charizard choose to evade, can Charizard's flames reach their target outside the Metal Gear's own range?

1. Can Charizard tank the missiles, lasers, bullets and overall firepower of Metal Gear? Can Charizard outrun a bullet?

2. Should Charizard choose to evade, can Charizard's flames reach their target outside the Metal Gear's own range?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Given the known power of other pokemon and that Charizard is relatively powerful in his verse, yes. Also, they'd never hit him.

You feel like doing some math based on some feats Charizard has done?

Charizard clearly has great range, doesn't need to be outside the gears range though. He can practicly fly down it's barrel, Snake cannot aim fast enough.

That's an assumption, and one that might end with a dead pokemon. Grey Fox, a smaller target, an android capable of deflecting bullets from assault weapons, and someone able to lift several tons tried the same thing, and he ended up as a stain on the floor after eating a laser from MGR.

Here's a sample of Grey Fox's abilities:

YouTube video

Could Charizard move like that? Because that wasn't enough.

Seen the cutscene, he also destroyed it's dish which vlinded the machien and forced open the cockpit. Zard could do so much easier, then just roast Snake.