Beta Ray Bill vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but some of the things that you all use as proof is basically, DEBATABLE.

How about this, show me superman surviving a super nova (already know what scan you're going to use) and I'll tell you why its debatable.

he survived a supernova AND a planet exploding. he has other durability feats too, like the black hole and such.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but his recent showings against his durability has happened so much that you can basically call it consistent.

if its ONLY in JLA then it's not consistent for superman, just superman in JLA.

Originally posted by Raoul
he survived a supernova AND a planet exploding. he has other durability feats too, like the black hole and such.

if its ONLY in JLA then it's not consistent for superman, just superman in JLA.

Got a question, why do you use high end feats that happens in the jla (wheels of mag, holding black hole) but low showings that happen in the jla you throw them out of the windown? 😕

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question, why do you use high end feats that happens in the jla (wheels of mag, holding black hole) but low showings that happen in the jla you throw them out of the windown? 😕

two entirely different books, first of all. one is JLA v3, written by Grant Morrison. One if JLA v4, only partially written by McDuffie.

McDuffie made it a point to make Superman look as bad as possible, as far back as his first issue on the book. It wasn't consistent with the solo books. Mageddon was.

Originally posted by Raoul
two entirely different books, first of all. one is JLA v3, written by Grant Morrison. One if JLA v4, only partially written by McDuffie.

McDuffie made it a point to make Superman look as bad as possible, as far back as his first issue on the book. It wasn't consistent with the solo books. Mageddon was.

You dont think that mcduffie is writing the character where he should be at? This is post crisis superman; some of the things that he was pulling was crazy and out of character.

Originally posted by carver9
You dont think that mcduffie is writing the character where he should be at? This is post crisis superman; some of the things that he was pulling was crazy and out of character.

mcduffie has consistently written him out of character. he hasn't written him in any way consistent with the other books Superman stars in.

Originally posted by carver9
Not clutching straws, its right there in front of your face, he was knocked out twice. You dont want to accept the fact that you were wrong.

Ah, I see. It's time for the "I'm right, and so visionary that I'm the only one who sees the scans that way.".

Stardust very obviously wasn't KOed in their first fight. The second fight is a stretch at best, as Stardust has never been incapacitated by physical force before. Seems to me like Beta Ray momentarily stunned Stardust before scooting away. You're free to show me otherwise, though.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Ah, I see. It's time for the "I'm right, and so visionary that I'm the only one who sees the scans that way.".

Stardust very obviously wasn't KOed in their first fight. The second fight is a stretch at best, as Stardust has never been incapacitated by physical force before. Seems to me like Beta Ray momentarily stunned Stardust before scooting away. You're free to show me otherwise, though.

I dont have to show you anything because its right there in front of your face, stardust was koed TWICE and then got back up a couple of minutes later.

The second scan, star dust wasnt even moving.

Originally posted by Raoul
mcduffie has consistently written him out of character. he hasn't written him in any way consistent with the other books Superman stars in.

the stories that mcduffie is putting together is nice and he's making superman an even more interesting character and is writing him at his power level. Superman is still powerful, he's just not as powerful as a lot of people wants him to be.

Originally posted by carver9
the stories that mcduffie is putting together is nice and he's making superman an even more interesting character and is writing him at his power level. Superman is still powerful, he's just not as powerful as a lot of people wants him to be.

are you serious?

he's lowballed him the entire time, and his writing of the actual character has been abysmal. him and diana fighting over who's faster? that kind of bs would never happen in a well written comic.

Originally posted by Raoul
are you serious?

he's lowballed him the entire time, and his writing of the actual character has been abysmal. him and diana fighting over who's faster? that kind of bs would never happen in a well written comic.

Supes and diana speed has always been a mystery (who faster), that page actually helped us. Just because diana is faster than you doesnt mean you're weak.

Originally posted by carver9
the stories that mcduffie is putting together is nice and he's making superman an even more interesting character and is writing him at his power level. Superman is still powerful, he's just not as powerful as a lot of people wants him to be.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont have to show you anything because its right there in front of your face, stardust was koed TWICE and then got back up a couple of minutes later.

The second scan, star dust wasnt even moving.

Nonsense. A possible argument for a KO/TKO would have been what Hulk did to Thor, where Thor was shown to be incapacitated on panel as Hulk beat his head in and walked away. Those scans are obviously nowhere near the level of certainty which you claim. The fact that Stardust not only returned, but immediately created a black hole shows you exactly what effects Bill's physical force had.

A conclusion based on a single inconclusive panel, as well as a wing and a prayer.

Originally posted by carver9
Supes and diana speed has always been a mystery (who faster), that page actually helped us. Just because diana is faster than you doesnt mean you're weak.

facepalm

them talking about it at all is out of character.

it didn't help anyone, because other writers are going to flat out ignore it.

Originally posted by Raoul
facepalm

them talking about it at all is out of character.

it didn't help anyone, because other writers are going to flat out ignore it.

Now I agree with this, it was out of character but I think mcduffie did that to basically show where everyone stands at against supes powerwise.

Originally posted by Spire

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Originally posted by Ouallada
Nonsense. A possible argument for a KO/TKO would have been what Hulk did to Thor, where Thor was shown to be incapacitated on panel as Hulk beat his head in and walked away. Those scans are obviously nowhere near the level of certainty which you claim. The fact that Stardust not only returned, but immediately created a black hole shows you exactly what effects Bill's physical force had.

A conclusion based on a single inconclusive panel, as well as a wing and a prayer.

I give up with you. Take the scans like you want.

^ That smiley.

Originally posted by carver9
Now I agree with this, it was out of character but I think mcduffie did that to basically show where everyone stands at against supes powerwise.

no, it's where he thinks people stand. the man doesn't have half the credibility at DC that the likes of Johns or Morrison have...

Originally posted by Raoul
McDuffie made it a point to make Superman look as bad as possible,

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His dialogue was stupid. I think McDuffie likes Superman, he doesn't want to make him look bad. The WW/Supes superspeed argument was a WTF moment.

Originally posted by Raoul
no, it's where he thinks people stand. the man doesn't have half the credibility at DC that the likes of Johns or Morrison have...

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