Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Leon is far faster and more agile than Sam
YouTube videoDurability and toughess? Sam doesn't even come close.
YouTube videoKrauser pwns Sam.
Who cares how fast Leon is? This is Krauser we are talking about, and besides, Leon could hurt Kraused with only a fraction of that speed and agility. Sam Fisher does not need to be as fast or faster, only faster and better than Leon displayed in the fight, which he is by a landslide. Besides, none of the agility Leon displayed there is of any real use in a fight. It is a mute point that Leon did what he did there. As for faster, that did not put him above Sam.
Durability and toughness? How is that relevant? I can not see a single reason how Leon's durability and toughness is relevant. But Sam did for a fact endure extensive torture only to suddenly make his move, shock his capturers with his vigor and start kicking ass. Point however, as mute as yours. Just a cool fact, not really relevant.
But to get this straight: Your estimation of the fight is that because Leon can do things he had no use of in a CQC fight, some things better than Sam, Sam is chanceless against Krauser whom Leon injured with a glancing slash of the knife while displaying terrible speed and talent, barely any technique at all?
Originally posted by SpadeKing
He never even got to be a real member of the police squad, the first day and most of the department is (un)dead.Thats why I'm saying that Fisher should be able to do the same considering he has to use his agility and speed more often than Leon (lets face it, slow zombies and bugbrainedwashed villagers aren't necessary to run from) and the more well armed opponents Fisher faces, he doesn't make mistakes or get caught by suprise so he can have a durability test on what kind of punishment he can take.
But anyway its a knife fight. Like I said I never really seen him use his knife skills, but he has deadly CQC skills.
0:40 is to my knowledge the only out of two knife moves we have seen Sam use in cinematics. The other one is from when Sam slit that other Third Echelon's throat.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Leon was a member of the force that was to replace S.T.A.R.S., which was a step up from SWAT
Step up from SWAT does not make his fighting style any better. He sucked at it. In terms of CQC, Sam slaughters Leon. To my understanding, Sam spent more time in SEAL alone than Leon did with his combat training and even work all-together. Sam can pull the experience, talent and Krav Maga cards on Leon and, yes, Krauser.
Neither have shown any actual CQC mastery. In the fight I saw, while symmetric and cool, involved very little actual technique.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Step up from SWAT does not make his fighting style any better. He sucked at it. In terms of CQC, Sam slaughters Leon. To my understanding, Sam spent more time in SEAL alone than Leon did with his combat training and even work all-together. Sam can pull the experience, talent and Krav Maga cards on Leon and, yes, Krauser. [/B]
To clarify, Leon as of RE4 was a government agent hired to protect the President of the USA's family, and went through about 6 years of training to get the job.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
To clarify, Leon as of RE4 was a government agent hired to protect the President of the USA's family, and went through about 6 years of training to get the job.
Funny note: Sam Fisher began his training at 13. He's 56 or so now. 20 of his years was in SEAL. 14 I think was in Third Echelon.
To be fair, not every gaming company will research actual martial arts when most gamers can't tell the difference, and just making something look cool is just as good, if not actually better most of the time. As far as the fans are concerned, anyway. (See Final Fantasy for an extreme example.)
The effort would be wasted on the fans in most cases, sadly.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
The skill Sam has is great and all, but does Sam have any feats like kicking someone's head off?...And Krauser beat Leon in that knife fight cutscene.
He has no such feats.
A fight in which neither was at all impressive.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
He cut him though.Not that it caused any real damage.
It was a cut. He bled. This equals him penetrating the skin, which equal Krauser being vulnerable to sharp weaponry such as knives, which is the main weapon of this fight.
Sam mastering Krav Maga, and Krauser being fairly poorly talented at CQC in comparison equals an edge for Sam.
Actually, Leon is very skilled with a knife, seeing how he was able to pin Salazar's hand to the wall from across the room or how he cut the rope holding Ada from a good distance.
Those knives they were using in that knife fight were so strong and sharp that merely dropping one caused the blade to penetrate the steel flooring that they were fighting on. 😐
Krav Maga is decent, but does Sam possess the speed to get a hit?
Leon is not the topic here, though. If he is skilled or not is irrelevant, since he displayed little to no skills during his fight with Krauser. Krauser is the opponent and was hit by a pathetic display by Leon.
It was still a glancing hit that cut Krauser. The extent of strength and sharpness of the knife is of lesser importance at that point.
From what I have seen, Leon is not one bit faster than Sam and Krauser never cut him. Sam is a more talented martial artist and has more combat training than Leon. He also has more experience and knows vulnerable points on a human body. He has advantages that Leon does not, and Leon gave Krauser a sweat in a knife-fight.