You like the sequels, but not the original

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I did not like the first film but did like the sequal have already been mentioned as well that being Lethal Weapon Two

You like the sequel better? I haven't seen any of them all the way through but most claim the original Lethal Weapon is an action classic and THE definitive "cop buddy" film. It's on my "most wanted dvds" list.

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Okay, I still don't think some of you guys get it.

There are plenty of film sequels that people prefer to the originals, but I'm talking good sequels to movies you didn't even like.

Which is what I did.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
the only thing I agree about that is that they did kinda butcher the joker with his bad makeup and stupid hair.

Your comparing The Dark Knight to a mini-series?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
the only thing I agree about that is that they did kinda butcher the joker with his bad makeup and stupid hair.

Besides basing him on what fans and professional critics have called "The definitive Joker story.", and nailing it, they totally butchered him.

Some people.

-AC

I honestly would have liked a more comic-like Joker than this cater-to-the-majority-lick-his-chops-a-thousand-times less sinister version of the Joker. This simply wasn't the Joker I was expecting but I knew I wasn't going to get the Joker I was expecting.

Agreed. While Ledger's take on the character wasn't exactly what I would have envisioned or done myself if I had say it was very interesting and he did a wonderful job in the role.

He was the best thing in a film that was filled with great happenings.

All incranations of the character are different from the comics, Hamill, Nicholson, Romero, and so on. I think The Dark Knight nailed the viciousness of the character. But, they did fail IMO to establish the look and humor I would have desired in a Joker character.

Most say Keaton played a great Batman, but a poor Bruce Wayne. Same goes for Ledger here. But he purposely took a different angle on the character that we hadn't seen before.

Bottom line. It wasn't perfect, but it was amazing onscreen and Ledger played a wonderful part.

Sometimes I wonder if people would have the same enthusiasm for his role if he wasn't deceased.

Originally posted by Ultraviolence
Sometimes I wonder if people would have the same enthusiasm for his role if he wasn't deceased.

Originally posted by Ultraviolence
I honestly would have liked a more comic-like Joker than this cater-to-the-majority-lick-his-chops-a-thousand-times less sinister version of the Joker.

Wait, so making him more comic like would have made him more sinister?

Originally posted by Myth
Wait, so making him more comic like would have made him more sinister?

Yes.

Originally posted by Ultraviolence
Sometimes I wonder if people would have the same enthusiasm for his role if he wasn't deceased.

They probably wouldn't. Glad to see I wasn't one who thought very little of Ledger's performance.

Originally posted by One Free Man
really? I thought tdk ran too long and had too many climaxes, focused on the joker and sort of butchered him a bit.

TDK went for a superhero epic staus, and failed bad.

Yes.

Case in point: Ledger was scarier and more sinister than Nickolson (sp?). So I disagree with you. Also, I seriously laughed out loud at Ledgers Joker, its just that his humour was more subtle and smarter than a wacky lunatic in make-up.

How is that even slightly disagreeing with me? I said that I wanted a more comic-like Joker and you mentioned how scarier Ledger was to Nicholson's Joker.

How is that relevant to anything I've mentioned?

He was saying that Nicholson's Joker is more comic like and yet is less scary than Ledger's.

Yes, on top of saying that he disagreed with me, which is a little impossible considering I never said anything about Nicholson's Joker.

I really liked Ledger's portrayal of the joker, it captured a lot I like about the character in the comics. I don't think TDK was so much better than Batman Begins though, both were very good imo.

Short Circuit 2
Transporter 2
Police Academy 2
Creepshow 2
Ghoulies 2

That's too easy of a get-out clause, though: "People wouldn't be saying it if he died.".

Why? Daniel Day-Lewis was praised as giving one of the best performances since Orson Welles in Citizen Kane for There Will Be Blood. Yet, if he died and got the same praise, people would say the same thing.

It's very likely that his death garnered acclaim, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't a revelation in that role, because he was.

Also, I think what Ultra means by "comic-like" is comic book, not comic as in comical. To that I ask what would you have done? That Joker is so much like the one in The Killing Joke that it's uncanny. Considering that T.K.J. is considered to be the Joker's definitive story, what would you have done to make him MORE comic-like?

I don't think The Dark Knight was light years ahead of Batman Begins, but to suggest there's a better crafted superhero movie out there is ridiculous to me personally. Batman isn't a fly around, big explosions, C.G.I. style hero, you have to realise that. If the reason you think it isn't a good superhero movie is because it doesn't have half the glisten of Iron Man, then you need to learn to appreciate them for what they are and are not.

Iron Man has all the glamour, glitz and madly enjoyable/exciting action set-pieces, but it doesn't have Gary Oldman as Gordon or Ledger as Joker.

-AC

Originally posted by Ultraviolence
I honestly would have liked a more comic-like Joker than this cater-to-the-majority-lick-his-chops-a-thousand-times less sinister version of the Joker. This simply wasn't the Joker I was expecting but I knew I wasn't going to get the Joker I was expecting.

Unfortunately that's the way characters are being re-imagined right now, take James Bond, Freddy Kreuger, The Joker and Robin Hood. All of them are having the fun squeezed out of them in the name of 'seriousness' and 'realism'.

Anyway, on topic I'll say Aliens fits for me for I can never really remember the first.