Juggarnaut vs. Magneto and Black Bolt

Started by Knowsbleed336 pages
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sonics would incapacitate Juggy and allow a follow up assault.

There is no follow up assault. Galan has the sonics putting Juggernaut down for good.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Except they didn't put him down. The synaptic dislocutor did.
Juggy got blasted with sonics in the second scan. Nimrod didn't use the synaptic dislocutor until the fourth scan. Unless you think that a steel structure falling on Juggy is the reason he was down during that time (which is a laughable notion imo) then you need to give credit where credit was due, and admit that Juggy was downed by Nimrod's sonic attack.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sonics would incapacitate Juggy and allow a follow up assault.
I agree. 👆

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
There is no follow up assault. Galan has the sonics putting Juggernaut down for good.
If you're going to quote me, please give some context behind what I said.

My opinion is that BB's voice is FAR greater than Nimrod's sonic-emitting tech. Thus if said tech is capable of downing Juggy for a length of time, BB's voice should be capable of downing Juggy for a much greater length of time. But repeated attacks could be used if necessary.

It hurt him obviously, but was he out? No. If he was, Nimrod wouldn't have needed the dislocutor, amirite?

Tell ya what, Galan. You go and find me a instance of Bolt using an attack like that to down someone. In fact, i'll make it easy for ya, you find me an instance of him using something remotely similar to down someone then we can talk. Because, from where I'm sitting, it looks to me like all you've got is "Bolt can scream really loud so he should be able to duplicate what Nimrod did".

why are we automatically even accepting that incident as valid?

could it not very well be an instance of PIS?

I mean, juggernaut is supposed to be invincible, I don't see how sound frequency, focused or otherwise would hurt him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
why are we automatically even accepting that incident as valid?

could it not very well be an instance of PIS?

I mean, juggernaut is supposed to be invincible, I don't see how sound frequency, focused or otherwise would hurt him.

It hurt him, but it didn't put him down.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It hurt him obviously, but was he out? No. If he was, Nimrod wouldn't have needed the dislocutor, amirite?

Tell ya what, Galan. You go and find me a instance of Bolt using an attack like that to down someone. In fact, i'll make it easy for ya, you find me an instance of him using something remotely similar to down someone then we can talk. Because, from where I'm sitting, it looks to me like all you've got is "Bolt can scream really loud so he should be able to duplicate what Nimrod did".

Never said Juggs was "out". He was 'downed' though (which is all I have said.)

Heh, you want me to post an instance where BB has used high-level sonics? How about every single time he's opened his mouth? none

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It hurt him, but it didn't put him down.
but how the hell would sonics hurt a man who walks through lava?

that makes no sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
Never said Juggs was "out". He was 'downed' though (which is all I have said.)

You want me to post an instance where BB has used high-level sonics? How about every single time he has opened his mouth? none

No, I want you to post instances of Bolt using sonics to the same effect Nimrod used them. After all, that's what your whole argument is based on, right?

Unless, you're going out on a limb?

Originally posted by Starscream M
but how the hell would sonics hurt a man who walks through lava?

that makes no sense.

They were screwing with his brain. Nimrod says: "The pain this generates renders you incapable of thought, much less action."

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
No, I want you to post instances of Bolt using sonics to the same effect Nimrod used them. After all, that's what your whole argument is based on, right?

Unless, you're going out on a limb?

Yes I Suppose that I am 'going out on a limb' in assuming a guy who's mere whispers can level cities, shake planets, own entire legions of Skrulls, vaporize city-sized ships, KO Gladiator, etc. can duplicate a sonic blast from Nimrod.

none

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes I Suppose that I am 'going out on a limb' in assuming a guy who's mere whispers can level cities, shake planets, own entire legions of Skrulls, vaporize city-sized ships, KO Gladiator, etc. can duplicate a sonic blast from Nimrod.

none

:😖igh:: So, anything? Do you have any instances of Bolt firing a focused, high-frequency beam of sound at someones head?

Come on, Galan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes I Suppose that I am 'going out on a limb' in assuming a guy who's mere whispers can level cities, shake planets, own entire legions of Skrulls, vaporize city-sized ships, KO Gladiator, etc. can duplicate a sonic blast from Nimrod.

none

Nimrod can calculate the exact frequencies needed to disorient juggs though, an abiility blackbolt may not have

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
:😖igh:: So, anything? Do you have any instances of Bolt firing a focused, high-frequency beam of sound at someones head?

Come on, Galan.

😂 So now BB needs to aim his voice solely at an opponent's head before you'll believe his sonics are sufficient to match and exceed those of Nimrod? Sorry, but I can't help but laugh at this degree of Juggy-wanking...

Though I'm sure it will prove to be a foolhardy effort, here's something for ya:

"And so into the planet he empties his agony."
"The effects of his unleashed power awakens volcanoes in the distant parts of Kritnah."
"On the other side of the planet, Black Bolt's sonic discharge shakes a continent":

But yeah, he can't touch Nimrod's sonics. none

That was the force of his scream, not the actual sound. What Bolt did there, Juggernaut would walk right through.

So, again, anything where Bolt uses his voice to do what Nimrod did? It was specific after all, it's not simply just alot of noise like you seem to think it is. Nimrod used a tight beam of ultra high frequency sonics fired directly at the Juggernauts head.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That was the force of his scream, not the actual sound. What Bolt did there, Juggernaut would walk right through.

So, again, anything where Bolt uses his voice to do what Nimrod did? It was specific after all, it's not simply just alot of noise like you seem to think it is. Nimrod used a tight beam of ultra high frequency sonics fired directly at the Juggernauts head.

Dear lord. facepalm

juggernaut is one of my favorit characters ever but if his helmet was off i think that bbs voice would put him down.

Well, if it the synapse dislocuter works by electrical signal manipulation as the caption implies, either one could reproduce its effects and paralyze him. There is also bloodflow manipulation to keep his brain from working, even if none of this kills him, it's enough for a temp win.

Jugs is not unstoppable without bfr either, he can be slowed down enough to count for a temp win by having a mountain dropped on his head or being dumped bellow the tectonic plates.

BB's powers arent supposed to be sonic at all either, although some recent writers seem to think they are.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dear lord. facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007
Dear lord. facepalm
the Kidd is right Galan.....you are taking it the wrong way....just because a RPG and a scalpel are both physical weapons don't mean they can be use the same way...

Nimrod= scalpel
BB= RPG

to take Juggernaut down you need a scalpel like weapon not a RPG, because Juggy can tank BB's Attack all day long... 😮‍💨