Leo's Tourney Odds Thread

Started by Omega Vision10 pages

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not sure "basic knowledge" includes a knowledge of their crippling relationship tension with Jean. You might be out of luck.

True. Luke Cage might know about it though.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
True. Luke Cage might know about it though.

Especially considering the fact that Cage and Logan are teammates. In terms of common knowledge Marvel-only team of Smurph is screwed since psychological warfare is avaliable🙂

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Especially considering the fact that Cage and Logan are teammates. In terms of common knowledge Marvel-only team of Smurph is screwed since psychological warfare is avaliable🙂

Nobody ****s apart your psyche better than Slade Wilson peaches

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Especially considering the fact that Cage and Logan are teammates.

Which means nothing for this. The chances of someone outside old-school X-Men knowing anything about the trio's woes are slim to none. For example, does Ms. Marvel know about Spider-Man's on-and-off relationship with Black Cat? They're teammates too.

Originally posted by Digi
Which means nothing for this. The chances of someone outside old-school X-Men knowing anything about the trio's woes are slim to none. For example, does Ms. Marvel know about Spider-Man's on-and-off relationship with Black Cat? They're teammates too.

Heh I can just see Ms Marvel chilling while Spidey walks past (and without prompting) says "I once banged Black Cat."

Originally posted by Digi
Which means nothing for this. The chances of someone outside old-school X-Men knowing anything about the trio's woes are slim to none. For example, does Ms. Marvel know about Spider-Man's on-and-off relationship with Black Cat? They're teammates too.

Cyclops+Jean is general knowledge, though...and can be useful in "you dirty whorebanger" way. Anyways, that's joking.
And Digi, I doubt Ms Marvel knows WHO Black Cat is... while Jean Grey is far from D-lister and Wolvie has more than once made public comments on Scott's sexual life.

The thing that worries me is that is the set cap on characters' movement speed (Mach 1) but no set cap on the movement speed of standart equipment (T-Spheres reaching Mach 7 at least). I want to hear Leo's ruling on that🙂

all gear is also capped at mach 1.

Meh. After the amount of times that Logan and Scott have fought Jean, and the amount of times they've been mindf*cked with regards to that issue, if anybody actually thinks that would do anything other than make Logan madder, they're free to attempt to argue so in-battle.

Originally posted by leonidas
all gear is also capped at mach 1.

Damn. Still I can work with that.

Funny thing that writers block. I am having trouble focusing, to comment on your odds. But I cant. Sorry, so instead I PM’ed each participant, with a vary special pep talk.

Personally selected by Moi, for you(s). I leave it up to you guys if you want share my vary special, and carefully selected pep talk. peaches

Blair's false confidence is pep enough

flirt

The higher the percentage, the greater chance of winning.

Blair Wind
judomaster
victor mancha
noh-varr

Your going to have to excuse my ignorance. I have not debated against you, nor have I followed your tournament history. So I don’t feel confident enough to write a constructive criticism, and hand out your odds.

Chances of Winning: ??%

Charlotte DeBel
m
charcoal
black canary

Potentially the most dangerous debater, capable of pulling an upset. HA!

Pro: Undeniably well rounded. She always enters a tournament with a plan in mind, and she does her homework. I really like her debate style, she pokes with a few strawmans, and relentlessly punishes her foe with strong counters. Its wonderful, because if you fall to her setup I don’t see you pulling through. I enjoy her attempts to think out of the box. No matter what, she always starts off strong. A front runner if you will.

Cons: There is one flaw that really bugs me. It’s her insecurity. All plans, all strategies, all arguments have a flaw. That’s a given. But I have noticed that against strong adversity, that see through her debate style, or pressured by solid counter argument. She starts to fumble, by this overwhelming doubt. I saw this in her match with Kris, and K-M.

Do not submit to these mind games, and pace your counters.

Chances of Winning: 75%

Digi
iron spidey
capt boomerang jr
moonknight

Pro: I always viewed these tournaments, as a game of selling your idea. Chances are if you are vary eloquent, you leave a strong impression. This man is vary eloquent in his debating. Now add confidence with a smile, with an extremely competitive nature. And you have the forum equivalent to those extremely annoying salesman. Make no mistake about it, he is not intimidated by any draft, or participant. There are no real big flaws to his debating.

Con: Digi needs to broaden his comic knowledge. Facing Odd characters really throws his game off. Second would be his planning. Many in this tourney will put together a team, with characters they are not familiarized with. All in the hopes of being as diverse enough, to meet all forms of adversity. Digi does the exact opposite, relying on characters he is mostly familiarized with. The planning of such teams, leave to a one dimensional road. This is the root cause in losing in the later rounds. You can only use a strat/plan so often before the opposition form a counter.

Chances of Wining: 80%

psycho gundam
mysterio
jonas harrow
punisher

Pro: You are not yet a vet, but certainly not new to the game. Your getting a firmer grasp of what this game is about. A teams foundation is built using a proven method, and you do just that. Relay on basics, using proven methods. And that’s what I like, keep basic and to the point plans/strat.

Con: Right now your biggest handicap, is selling your idea. Your comments are far to erect, or static. They lack apathy, or feeling. I say so because everyone here produce logical arguments (you, me, Blair etc..). But everyone have developed personal debating style, to be more persuasive.

Once you stylize your arguments, I can see you as a stronger competitor.

Chances of Winning: 50%

Omega Vision
deathstroke
cage
mr terrific

Sorry buddy. You’ve only had one match, and it was a total disaster. Because of it, I really don’t have good odds for ya. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Chances of Winning: 25%

Original Smurph
cyclops
ironfist
logan

Pro: Smurph loves mental games, he is like the member version The Joker. Ask anyone one who have been in these comic tournaments, and they will tell you mental games play a huge part in disabling your foe. Be certain that no matter the plan/strat he will let you know why it fails, and proceed to show off his team. This becomes a game of cat & mouse. Try to counter, and Smurph will aggressively respond insulting the argument. But not in a stupid manner, he will point out mistakes using big bold letters or image tagging to affirm his point. I find this humorous, Smurph begins to run circles around his opposition, and his foe does not know how to counter by the building frustration.

Con: I noticed a flaw. Aggressive competitors tend to make huge emotional investment in their comments, likewise they are equally prone to mental games. If you are witty enough, a humorous reply can properly defuse an aggressive comment. And that is Smurphs flaw, he is too aggressive at times. It narrows your focus, and provokes an unneeded pissing contest. If you get into the wrong kind of pissing contest, it could cost you the match.

Chances of Winning: 80%

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nice. we should make a series of pokemon-equivalent cards so we can play the home game with our real life friends. 😄

could just see id's summation of ME.

DICKERY. 😐

😂

good job id. these kinds of things are always interesting and add a little something extra. 👆

dibs on weezing (the gas covered shitcluster ?)

If I had any kind of Photoshopping skills, I would make pokemon bios (forget the cards) with the appropriate pokemon.

Anyhow, last time I made boxing references. This time, its MMA. Welter-Middle Weight class.

Blair Wind
Alexander Silvia

Charlotte DeBel
BJ Penn

Digi
Silva_ Anderson_

psycho gundam
Gegard Mousasi

Omega Vision
Dan Hardy

Original Smurph
Silva_ Wanderlei_

Not too familiar with MMA or welters. Boxing Middleweights next time plox??

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...I'd argue with my "weakness." The most outlandish and obscure picks have been shown to be the earliest outs in most tourneys. The Surfers, Thors, Iron Mans, etc. of the world have historic success. And I've had equal success/failure with everyone from Space Phantom to Spidey, and used something like 22 different characters in delph's tourney (in addition to the dozen or so more over the course of tourney history), including a few none had ever heard about when they were selected. I also fail to see how MK and Boomerang display less knowledge than, say, Smurph's team...all of whom are A-list in terms of notoriety. But I don't consider that a knock on Smurph, because I disagree with the premise that familiarity with characters breeds failure.

Kudos to Id for the odds, btw. Disagreeing with some of it doesn't mean it's not a lot of fun.

Dear Digi:

Your entitled to you opinion however obscure, or wrong it may be. Its your constitutional e-right.

Sincerely

Originally posted by "Id"
Dear Digi:

Your entitled to you opinion however obscure, or wrong it may be. Its your constitutional e-right.

Sincerely

😂

That sentiment just seems to follow me around, that I'm a clear debater but lack comprehensive comic knowledge. This isn't the first I've encountered it. I added it up recently, and it's 38 different characters I've used in tourneys (including this current one) not counting repeats (in which case it's a few more), and have researched and defeated countless more. I also closely follow every tourney ever, even if I'm not in it. At this point, there's very little I haven't seen. The facts seems to contradict the opinion, but it's not something I seem to be able to shake. I picked Spidey, for example, not because I didn't have other choices (I had at least a dozen potentials, if memory serves) but because I felt he gives me the best chance to win.

Kinda like the stigma that follows Blair around, that he exploits loopholes and wins most of his matches in prep, not by debates. I've faced Blair numerous times, I know that's wrong. But it's been his MO for quite a while. Or leo's sitgma of being a dick (totally true in that case, though). And I'm sure I could win a tournament with Paste Pot Pete, Cue Ball, and Rhino, and I'd still be typecast as the same thing.

So yes, I've lost late in tourneys. But, as it's often by one vote, with different partner(s), against varying opponents, with varying judges, and with countless other variables, I doubt there's any one thing that can be pointed to as the reason for it. It's a combination of reasons, and is highly situation specific.

Originally posted by Digi
Or leo's sitgma of being a dick (totally true in that case, though).

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