Explosions in Moscow Metro

nah,, i sympathize with some of these ppl it is how they go about it trying to effect change i dont agree with..

its like watching a suspense movie and seeing all the mistakes that the main characters are doing and screaming dont do that!!! ur leaving evidence!! why did you just tell your ex wife who hates you what you plan on doing?!!

my view is fight the power but, be militarily and strategically precise. if you have access to high explosive wpns then it stands to reason you can plan.

killing and harming ur average citizen is not cool... go for military, federal law enforcement buildings only or police station. not random workof business areas. at least call in a bomb/gas leak threat to clear the building of innocent ppl and just blow the building the message will be just as good.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am pretty sure the motivation behind the Oklahoma city bombing had more to do as retaliation for abuse of federal power on its citizens of wako and ruby ridge. the fact that Timothy McVeigh was christian had very little to do with it or at least only his strong desire of righteous justice.

but blaming Christianity as its base foundation and reasoning is kinda faulty logic.

that's like blaming the majority of the nation's crimes as a christian act since the criminals more then likely are christian believers or were born into a christian belief family.

The fact that you think that the OKC Bombing had little to nothing to do with the perps' Christianity is absurdly ignorant.

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My point was that some people do it for the lulz, they have no agenda other than doing it just cuz.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The fact that you think that the OKC Bombing had little to nothing to do with the perps' Christianity is absurdly ignorant.

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
killing and harming ur average citizen is not cool... go for military, federal law enforcement buildings only or police station. not random workof business areas. at least call in a bomb/gas leak threat to clear the building of innocent ppl and just blow the building the message will be just as good.

Remember folks, once you side with the government you're no longer a citizen!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Remember folks, once you side with the government you're no longer a citizen!

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
all i am saying one of his driving motivation factors was ruby ridge and wako...

And now we are full circle, back to Christianity.

Also, McVeigh was involved with the same ideals that the Christian extremists have.

Again, back to Christianity.

Tim did not need to be a Christian extremist, himself, to be perpetuating the orgins of those beliefs/ideals came from White Supremicist Christians. As fact.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hat is a fact. since he went to the sites to pay respect and comment on the government abuse of power to reporter about his views.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

K.

But, just to be clear, his actions, his motivations, his associations...which lead to the murdering of innocents, was disgustingly tied Christianity.

Just like Islam, Jesus can be tainted into disgusting forms.

Seems silly that we can connect Christianity, quite easily, to Tim's actions, but would he have comitted any of those actions if those beliefs didn't even exist? The fact that those same ideals are still spewed by white supremicist groups, anti-government-Christian groups, etc. means that we will still continue to have Christian related terror, for a long time to come.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Seems silly that we can connect Christianity, quite easily, to Tim's actions, but would he have comitted any of those actions if those beliefs didn't even exist? The fact that those same ideals are still spewed by white supremicist groups, anti-government-Christian groups, etc. means that we will still continue to have Christian related terror, for a long time to come.

I think the answer to your question is: Yes. Ultimately Christianity is just a tool used by people. That brings us back to Tim.

i wonder what white supremacist would think or do if jesus came back in all his dark skin jewish hebrew dark wool like hair glory in ancient regional clothing.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i wonder what white supremacist would think or do if jesus came back in all his dark skin jewish hebrew dark wool like hair glory in ancient regional clothing.

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Europe (and I include Russia in this) is more heavily Muslim than America is by a long shot-- I think in the UK it's over 10%, which is quite a lot in their population numbers. Increasingly, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are using women to do their dirty work, and Russia's been having major problems with its heavy Muslim population in each of the "-stan" countrires and its province of Checnya.

**Sidenote. My user name had 37 people die this morning.

Moment of silence sadangel

Originally posted by Moscow
Europe (and I include Russia in this) is more heavily Muslim than America is by a long shot-- I think in the UK it's over 10%, which is quite a lot in their population numbers. Increasingly, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are using women to do their dirty work, and Russia's been having major problems with its heavy Muslim population in each of the "-stan" countrires and its province of Checnya.

**Sidenote. My user name had 37 people die this morning.

Moment of silence sadangel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

I got the "over 10%" thing wrong in my post 😮

However, Mindset, the US has a much larger population than the UK. The Muslim ratio is .8% here in the US. In the UK it is 2.7%

That's a big difference in terms of the countries.

There are more Muslims in the UK (re: you see a lot more of them) than in the US

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i wonder what white supremacist would think or do if jesus came back in all his dark skin jewish hebrew dark wool like hair glory in ancient regional clothing.

He may be dark skinned, but he'll have white hair. Be it from being an older looking man, or simply beacuse of his "awesomness".

Originally posted by dadudemon
The fact that you think that the OKC Bombing had little to nothing to do with the perps' Christianity is absurdly ignorant.

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ummm, while McVeigh might have spent time at Elohim and associated with people with very strong religious convictions, his motivations (be means of his confessions and some reading of his personal history) seem to be way more in line with what Wild Shadow is describing.

Even the pages of the Turner Diaries that he left at the scene. They weren't the racialized or religious ones, but rather issues pertaining to abuses of gvt power.

Also, McVeigh had taken a pilgramige to Ruby Ridge and was present at Waco during the standoff. The Religification of McVeigh's acts has been a strange trend, especially in academia (where they want to compare McVeigh and Bin Laden), that at least in my opinion is, at best, overstated. I tend to think it just suits the pre-drawn conclusions of the people doing the research.

Originally posted by Moscow
I got the "over 10%" thing wrong in my post 😮

However, Mindset, the US has a much larger population than the UK. The Muslim ratio is .8% here in the US. In the UK it is 2.7%

That's a big difference in terms of the countries.

There are more Muslims in the UK (re: you see a lot more of them) than in the US

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
my view is fight the power but, be militarily and strategically precise. if you have access to high explosive wpns then it stands to reason you can plan.

killing and harming ur average citizen is not cool... go for military, federal law enforcement buildings only or police station. not random workof business areas. at least call in a bomb/gas leak threat to clear the building of innocent ppl and just blow the building the message will be just as good.

right, because giving the police the reason to crack down on even the most modest political dissenters is "planning"

EDIT: Al Qaeda is also more effective than the Basque. If the FLQ taught us anything, terrorism needs a body count

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really that big of a difference, and some estimates put the Muslim population in the US around 7 million.

A true City Data publication and not some Wikipedia site will give the true answer as to the demographics of a country.

It matters actually how large the country is in terms of population and to the ratio of the race and background of a people in it.

By 2009 standards, the US has almost 310 million people. The UK has just over 61 million people.

If Wiki is right, that 2.7 % is a big chunk of the UK's people compared to the .8% of the US's people.

nvm

Originally posted by Moscow
Europe (and I include Russia in this) is more heavily Muslim than America is by a long shot-- I think in the UK it's over 10%, which is quite a lot in their population numbers. Increasingly, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are using women to do their dirty work, and Russia's been having major problems with its heavy Muslim population in each of the "-stan" countrires and its province of Checnya.

**Sidenote. My user name had 37 people die this morning.

Moment of silence sadangel