Explosions in Moscow Metro

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree there. And, I"m not saying that it was Tim's "Christianity" that lead to that, either. However, his actions were heavily influenced by certain Christian ideals.

However, it would be foolish; especially if Jon has antisemitic reading materials, quotes from antisemites in his "murdering" sprees, and gets materials/has dealings with anitsemites; to conclude that he must be operating independently of antisemitic ideals.

If it smells like a fish, looks like a fish, was born from a fish, it must be:

a) A fish.
b) A mutated fish (which applies to Tim)
c) Not a fish.

This is what my career will be in, for at least a decade or two: cyber security, homeland security, domestic terror prevention/mitigation, etc. So, it's good that I talk about this shit, now, rather than later when it's my day job.

can you show me the sources you have where McVeigh makes clear his religious influence?

like, I understood your point, I just don't think the data is there, please show me

A sad tragedy indeed...

Well, hope no one blames MW2 for this one.

Originally posted by Mindset
If wikipedia uses reputable sources, which in this case it does, then there's no difference.

I'm aware, except in this case the percentages are so small that it doesn't matter, 2.7% is not a big chunk of the population. The difference of 2% is not that significant.

Wikipedia's alright. My professors constantly harass it, and I can see why. If some idiot writes something on there that's not factually based, then the picture is skewed badly. But, yeah, the difference doesn't sound big, but trust me.

I've been to London and to New York-- two cities with large Muslim populations. You can easily tell which one looks more populated, and the UK's small land area and smaller population equals a more denser outlook.

🙄 I think both of us are beating a dead horse anyway. Anyhow, there's Muslims here... just trying to live out a normal life. Until the rabid anti-Arab people come in and start harassing them.

Originally posted by Moscow
Wikipedia's alright. My professors constantly harass it, and I can see why. If some idiot writes something on there that's not factually based, then the picture is skewed badly. But, yeah, the difference doesn't [B]sound big, but trust me.
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studies show wikipedia is not more subject to bias or error than any other reputable encyclopedia. Many changes have been made to the editing policy to make it more peer reviewed and nobody can just "change" pages anymore. Further, wiki has been praised for its ability to bring fast paced news from international events to people in an unbiased (as much as possible) manner, and has been recognized by international media organizations with awards.

for its faults (like any encyclopedia, it is not an academic source, though modern APA citation standards do include "wiki" sourcing) Wikipedia gets way less credit than it deserves.

that aside, the data you are talking about is basic demographics which wikipedia sources from and links to the very government data you suggested was more valid.

Fair enough. I use Wikipedia a lot anyway. It's kind of a bookmark on my computer

K.

Soldier of Fortune(mag, not outright Christian but something that would be associated with radical Christians (arguable, I know)), Spotlight (mag, not outright Christian but something that would be associated with radical Christians.(arguable, I know)), The Turner Diaries, maybe some others that I'm not thinking of. A millions upon millions of papers were written on this. I don't have access to all of the "materials" collected and catalogued that were associated with Timothy McVeigh.

So, how is "The Turner Diaries" not good enough in it's own right?

But what about his associations with others? Why does that not count?

What about the massive amounts of parallels his ideals have with the Christian Patriot and Identity Movements? How come those don't count?

What about his anger/frustration about two different incidents, which include the killing of Christians that were part of this Christian Identity and Patriot movements? (Randy wasn't necessarily an Aryan-type, but he WAS a Christian with Christian Patriot beliefs.)

I am not saying that Tim was a staunch Christian, I'm saying his terrorism was influenced from radical "Christian ideals."

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
doubt it. how many islamic nations and ppl are still fighting each other even when sharing the same religious views.

the problem is poor education and tribal type mentality imo.

And a key part of that education would be learning that their and other religions are fairy stories, and other humans use it as a lever to bring people to do what a normal common sense touting person woulnd´t do.

Originally posted by dadudemon
K.

Soldier of Fortune(mag, not outright Christian but something that would be associated with radical Christians (arguable, I know)), Spotlight (mag, not outright Christian but something that would be associated with radical Christians.(arguable, I know)), The Turner Diaries, maybe some others that I'm not thinking of. A millions upon millions of papers were written on this. I don't have access to all of the "materials" collected and catalogued that were associated with Timothy McVeigh.

So, how is "The Turner Diaries" not good enough in it's own right?

But what about his associations with others? Why does that not count?

What about the massive amounts of parallels his ideals have with the Christian Patriot and Identity Movements? How come those don't count?

What about his anger/frustration about two different incidents, which include the killing of Christians that were part of this Christian Identity and Patriot movements? (Randy wasn't necessarily an Aryan-type, but he WAS a Christian with Christian Patriot beliefs.)

I am not saying that Tim was a staunch Christian, I'm saying his terrorism was influenced from radical "Christian ideals."

Originally posted by dadudemon
To quote a wise philospher: Fair enough. 😄

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Props to the Russians for keep going on with their lives. 👆

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
A sad tragedy indeed...

Well, hope no one blames MW2 for this one.

Shit, i'll be happy if America isn't blamed.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Shit, i'll be happy if America isn't blamed.

Eventually....

Here is a picture of the bomber:

Now they're finally together in the burning pits of hell.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Shit, i'll be happy if America isn't blamed.

general opinion in Russia holds that the American war on terror has increased the violence in the Caucasus (debatably true, though Russia has done little to engage the region). More extreme, though comparable in popularity to some of the more esoteric conspiracy theories in the West, is that America is actively funding Caucasian Islamist groups to fight Russia, which imho (and according to the individuals I saw speaking about it on Al Jazeera) is not true at all.

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