There's not going to be an invasion. Missiles will be fired at key Iranian sights, the Iranians will complain, Ahmadinejad will rant and rattle like the Ayatollah puppet he is. Business back to normal, the US still buying their oil.
Just not sure if the US will do it or let Israel on their behalf. I'd imagine the US, so Iran can't use the Jew-angle as much.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
With what army? is a great question, but perhaps a better question should be, with who's army?
In either case the answer is the same. There is not going to be a war.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sadly nowadays ppl rather bomb each other sporadically then to declare full out war on one another
Welcome to modern warfare. Why decimate half your population to march at eachother shooting?
Originally posted by Ultraviolence
I don't see how this is exactly "scary." We've heard reports of the US attacking Iran for a while now and nothing has happened. I severely doubt that the Obama Administration would make such a misstep and invade Iran at this point and time.
I'm not a fan of steps that point the world toward a potentially devastating war even if it's unlikely to actually take place.
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Originally posted by Moscow
Very, very bad news:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/pers-m30.shtml
Is a US attack on Iran imminent? 30 March 2010 In recent weeks there has been a series of press reports as well as statements by military experts that strongly indicate that either the Obama administration or the Israeli government, or both, may be moving toward an attack on Iran.
Some of the press reports have been so detailed and provocative that it is difficult to determine whether they are describing actual plans for military action or whether they are “merely” intended to ratchet up pressure on the clerical regime in Tehran. Even if the United States and Israel are primarily engaged at this point in a war of nerves, the political and military logic of their actions leads inexorably to war.
Yesterday the World Socialist Web Site reported on the Brookings Institution’s simulated war games in which Iran was the target (see: “Washington ratchets up war threats against Iran”). Teams of US officials—“playing” the US, Israel, Iran, and other regional powers—tried to determine the outcome of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear plants. The war game tried to present the conflict as initially remaining limited to exchanges of targeted strikes between Israel and Iran.
US policymakers let it be known, however, that they envisaged ultimately mounting a massive assault on Iran. The war game was halted a week into the war—which, by then, had spread to Iranian or pro-Iranian groups in Lebanon, Israel, the Occupied Territories, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Persian Gulf—with the US preparing strikes to annihilate large sections of the Iranian military.
This was the most prominent of a series of provocative announcements against Iran in the US press. Last week saw reports that the US was stocking bunker-busting bombs at airfields on Diego Garcia, to destroy Iran’s suspected nuclear facilities, and reports of Israeli plans to drop nuclear bombs on these same facilities.
There is an obvious connection between the intensification of preparations for military action and the apparent failure of the US-backed “Green Revolution” to gain the political momentum and social support necessary to topple the Tehran government.
The Green Revolution movement, which never developed support outside a limited middle-class base, became ever weaker in the final months of 2009. At the same time, Washington increased its pressure on Iran in negotiations over its nuclear program, calling for sanctions to be agreed upon by the UN Security Council. In December 2009 the New York Times carried an article, describing the rising power of broadly pro-Ahmadinejad factions of the Iranian military, titled “Hard-Line Rise Alters View of Iranian Nuclear Program.”
It is significant that the current press accounts of preparations for war emerged after the acknowledgment by top US personnel that the Green Revolution was a failure. Contradicting months of US-media propaganda, Richard Haass, president of the US Council on Foreign Relations, told CNN on February 14 that the US had no facts to back up claims by Green Revolution spokesmen that its candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, had won last June’s election. Asked about a US poll showing a 57 percent Ahmadinejad vote versus 27 percent for Mousavi immediately before the elections, Haass replied, “I don’t know if the opposition is 25 percent, 50 percent, or more.”
For the time being, Washington’s Green Revolution proxies have been marginalized. The United States has reacted to this setback by leaking information to the press that suggests that a military operation is in the works.
One of the purposes of these threatening reports may well be to goad Tehran into some sort of defensive action that might be portrayed by the US government and the media as a hostile military act. This would provide the US with a casus belli that would be invoked to justify an attack on Iran. Another possibility is that the US (and Israel) expects that the escalation of pressure on Iran will produce new fractures within Tehran’s political elite. In one way or another, Washington is determined to restore the political and economic control over Iran that it enjoyed before the 1979 Revolution, back in the heady days when the Shah functioned as the CIA’s principal agent in Tehran.
The Iranian crisis illustrates the fundamental continuity of US imperialist policy, against claims that Obama would pursue policies fundamentally different from those of Bush. In fact, in a sinister throwback to Bush’s campaign of lies on Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction,” US officials are escalating threats even though they admit they have no “solid clues” suggesting the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapon.
A US and/or Israeli attack on Iran would be a monstrous act of imperialist criminality. Countless thousands of Iranians would be killed in the first hours of a war. Moreover, a war against Iran would have incalculable international repercussions, and would bring the entire world closer to the day of a global nuclear conflagration. Alex Lantier
US and Israeli relationships are all 100% lately...
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Originally posted by Ordo/c it would have given me something to do then stand around in a hot sun and get harassed and yelled at by incompetent military personnel who only know how to abuse their rank and power toward lower ranking military personnel with so much free time all we past/present military ppl can do is misbehave... idle hands are the devils tools.Welcome to modern warfare. Why decimate half your population to march at each other shooting?
i know modern warfare isnt a line of men who shoot at each other but i can dream to one day fight an actual impressive army rather then just sit in my tin box playing X box and have a mortar round hit shake my tin box get a change of shorts and go right back to playing and trying to reach a high score. while a SNCO does a casualty check opening ur box and saying sound off!! present and accounted for!!
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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
/c it would have given me something to do then stand around in a hot sun and get harassed and yelled at by incompetent military personnel who only know how to abuse their rank and power toward lower ranking military personnel with so much free time all we past/present military ppl can do is misbehave... idle hands are the devils tools.
Maybe you missed the part where war was ALWAYS like that.
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In relevant news, our worst fears have been confirmed. We are on the precipice of global war. See!
Originally posted by The Associated Press
[For months, China had staunchly opposed putting together any U.N. sanctions against Iran for its suspicious nuclear program. But on Wednesday, it appeared to finally clear the way for six world powers to begin drafting a resolution, which President Barack Obama hopes to have ready in a matter of weeks. "We see a growing awareness on the part of many countries, including China, as to the consequences of a nuclear-armed Iran to regional and global stability, to our oil supply, and we think that there will be a consensus reached as to the best way forward," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters Tuesday. Any resolution, of course, would still have to clear several hurdles before passing, but the six countries—the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France, and Germany—are hopeful of doing it soon. "Iran cannot continue its mad race toward acquiring nuclear weapons," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said. "The time has come to take decisions."
I actually think FOX news is easily twice as credible as WSWS.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
like what?
rape, pillage, dumbarsery.
Ordo, the WSWS mainly deals with working-class and poor people of all nations around the world. An attack on Iran whether by Israel or the United states would cause severe harm to the Iranian poor and working class no matter if the only things attacked were supposed nuclear facilities.
The website may be hyperbolic, if you can prove to me how it is, but it dabbles into what the MSM deals with. The New York Times has increasingly supported heavy antagonism to the Iranian regime, since it is at the heart thoroughly disappointed with the 1979 Iranian Revolution. It came out in full support of the US-backed Green Revolution, and it constantly plays along with war games concocted with the death and destruction of the Iranian regime.
But... you say a war is not imminent. I think... no matter how high the financial costs are going to be and no matter how desperately poor we as a nation are, we will go to war with Iran and create a very nasty mess indeed.
China and Russia need as much oil as we do. If this whole Middle Eastern thing isn't about oil, fine, but Iran has quite a bit. They are Russia and china's friends (er... business friends, really) but the noose is slowly tightening.
Maybe it is just smoke to blow up people's asses. But when bunker buster bombs have been delivered to Diego Garcia, right off Iran's coast, something foul this way comes.
It won't happen:
Look at the numbers:
Iraq:
Population: 31 234 000 or so
GDP: 114 billions
Iran:
Population: 74 196 000 mother****in' dudes
GDP: 830 000 billions.
And they have nuclear weapons.
USA is shitting bricks right now and might loose against Iraq.
What are the chance that they win against a country like that?
2 times more populate and 7 times richier.