Myth, Legend and Religion

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i was doing no different with what is more likely to happen between certain likelihood of supernatural or a more mundane explainable reasons while acknowledging the possibility of certain things being somewhat factual or probable instead of saying out right it is all made up and nothing more then stories like comics of ancient times..

However you failed to apply Occam's Razor.

Is it possible that there just happened to be a race of people who all had the mutations for giantism, horns and six fingers? From a position of strict intellectual honesty, yes. However it is absurdly unlikely so until we unearth this particular group and confirm that the skeletons are real it is best to look for another explanation.

The pastime of fishing leads us to a simpler explanation. People exaggerate events.

i didnt fail i was simply entertaining the notion.. i am aware of its unlikely occurrence of some possessing multiple traits in one body but, i did take into account certain biological mutations that have developed in certain races and small groups of ppl due to isolation...

some being extremely tall african races reaching 7 ft and disproportionate neck and head size and longer arms compared to the rest of humanity head and body ratio...

i also took into account negative harmful mutation of another certain african tribe called the ostrich tribe who have developed and carried a particular defect in their gene pool where 1 in 4 have deformed feet being two toed which some say resemble ostrich feet and consider it an advantage for tree climbing.

taking this into account i dont think it is anymore unlikely for a random tall person with bad teeth and possessing an extra digit to have existed in the middle east..

or a group of tall ppl with an extra digit mutation to have formed into cult like groups which have bn known to happen at the time...

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
well it was nice talking with you i didn't think i was debating or anything just postulating out loud, an electronic sounding board.
i was house and you were my medical department assistance..
i throw out some ideas you guys argue among urselves tell me i am wrong, i point at something make a smart @$$ comment or parable like speech..

you then give me ur take i make fun of u some more, ignore it and go with what i know... and call myself a genius and take credit...

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
bye the bye many professionals jobs is to speculate no matter how unlikely and come up with what is probable and likely to happen..

lawyers, judges, jury, detectives, profilers, doctors, theorist, archeologoist and various scientist in their fields... i was doing no different with what is more likely to happen between certain likelihood of supernatural or a more mundane explainable reasons while acknowledging the possibility of certain things being somewhat factual or probable instead of saying out right it is all made up and nothing more then stories like comics of ancient times..

just entertaining the idea

Speculation is blind guessing. Most of the jobs you mentioned are working with various forms of hard evidence. Especially scientists, to whom speculating is only the first step in the scientific process. But I digress.

Also, I was never terribly skeptical of your proposed "perfect storm" of mutations in one person. Well, I was actually, but that wasn't the main focus. My skepticality was more centered on that hypothetical person being the cause of a myth, and the utter lack of evidence for such an idea. Occam's Razor indeed, however. You're stuck behind many, many more plausible theories.

I'd like to think that there is truth out there to many of these type of stories, I've searched for years. I've bought many books from the source of the religions. I have bought lexicons, transcribed texts and visited certain churches to try to find out. The only conclusion is that it is all based on myths. It was heartbreaking when I learned that, btw. All stores are based on earlier stories. The further I went back and looked at history the more it was apparent. Now, I am not saying that there isn't something of some kind of intellegence, but I don't believe it can be found in religion. That's just my take on it all.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I'd like to think that there is truth out there to many of these type of stories, I've searched for years. I've bought many books from the source of the religions. I have bought lexicons, transcribed texts and visited certain churches to try to find out. The only conclusion is that it is all based on myths. It was heartbreaking when I learned that, btw. All stores are based on earlier stories. The further I went back and looked at history the more it was apparent. Now, I am not saying that there isn't something of some kind of intellegence, but I don't believe it can be found in religion. That's just my take on it all.

Right, exactly! It's not heartbreaking though, imo, there's a certain comfort in knowing that the commonality of mythic structures can be traced to common themes and struggles in the human experience. These transcend time and culture. It's quite powerful, really. But trying to look for concretized versions of these myths is fruitless, and is mistaking metaphor for fact.

Originally posted by Digi
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Speculation is blind guessing. Most of the jobs you mentioned are working with various forms of hard evidence. Especially scientists, to whom speculating is only the first step in the scientific process. But I digress.

Also, I was never terribly skeptical of your proposed "perfect storm" of mutations in one person. Well, I was actually, but that wasn't the main focus. My skepticality was more centered on that hypothetical person being the cause of a myth, and the utter lack of evidence for such an idea. Occam's Razor indeed, however. You're stuck behind many, many more plausible theories.

jurors and judges go by interpretation of the law and opinions and hearsay of others who in turn try to twist and turn the truth and spin things around for ones favor..

anthropologist do almost nothing but guess work when trying to recreate the society of the past and its ppl when it comes to daily labors...

quantum physicist are on another lvl of speculation theny ur average physicist or chemist, engineers.. etc etc..

they do nothing but speculate with little or no hard or tangible evidence.. they are one step above fantasy writers and make more assumptions then in my proposed possibility of this thread.. 😎

People just love something tangible to hold on to. It is if they feel secure knowing that they would be taken care of just like a parent. When we leave our parents and go out on our own, we like the security of knowing that we will be taken care of in some way. Isn't this the same thing? God is our parent and he will take care of us if only....And we DO THESE, IF ONLY..then we are told we didn't do them good enough for our parent, (god) to pay attention, acknowlege, support us.

We hear words like:

He loves us.
It's for our own good.
He wants us to do better.
If your mind was more pure..just do that.
Are there hidden sins?
Maybe god is trying to tell you something, yes?
You just are not listening.
Hey, I died for you, but you didn't read the fine print, offspring...Like save once and only once, baptism is the way...you need to go door to door,you didn't baptise your dead relatives, your offering wasn't quit there, you think sinful thoughts..eww, you go to church on Sunday instead of the established Sabbath, (Saturday).., you don't take the sacrements, You believe in Jesus as the god.
Is god the father one and the only one? Is jesus the same as the father? Is there three gods in one? Is the holy spirt the same as three? Is the Trinity real? Why is it needed?
Why do we need baptised when the guy next to you wasn't?

Damn, ...Aren't we a screwed-up creation drear god not to understand what you want US TO DO. Hmm

And the purpose of this confusion is what, my savior?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
I'd like to think that there is truth out there to many of these type of stories, I've searched for years. I've bought many books from the source of the religions. I have bought lexicons, transcribed texts and visited certain churches to try to find out. The only conclusion is that it is all based on myths. It was heartbreaking when I learned that, btw. All stores are based on earlier stories. The further I went back and looked at history the more it was apparent. Now, I am not saying that there isn't something of some kind of intellegence, but I don't believe it can be found in religion. That's just my take on it all.

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
jurors and judges go by interpretation of the law and opinions and hearsay of others who in turn try to twist and turn the truth and spin things around for ones favor..

anthropologist do almost nothing but guess work when trying to recreate the society of the past and its ppl when it comes to daily labors...

quantum physicist are on another lvl of speculation theny ur average physicist or chemist, engineers.. etc etc..

they do nothing but speculate with little or no hard or tangible evidence.. they are one step above fantasy writers and make more assumptions then in my proposed possibility of this thread.. 😎

Then you know nothing about how those professions actually work.

srug

Originally posted by Digi
Then you know nothing about how those professions actually work.

srug

and most importantly i watch star trek and listen to quantum theorist all the time on youtube.. 😛

YouTube video

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
[B]i do to.. i

Sorry, I was just imagining this in person.

Kinda sounds like me. LOL

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i do to.. i have taken classes in some studies and bn part of the criminal justice system....blue_bandana

and most importantly i watch star trek and listen to quantum theorist all the time on youtube.. 😛

...then you should know that juries base their decisions on hard evidence and logic, and in the absence of either the person goes free. Or that quantum theorists and scientists make clear distinctions between that which we have direct evidence for, that which checks out mathematically but we haven't observed yet, that which certain aspects of have been tested/proven and others haven't, and that which is entirely theoretical. Conclusions are not based on fanciful guesses. They're based on evidence. You're mistaking an idea for a conclusion to say that your ideas require no less speculation.

Skew the facts if you must to feel like your idea is on the level with them. It's of little import to me.

why cant you just leave me alone? do you really need to nitpick every little thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related
bawling

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
why cant you just leave me alone? do you really need to nitpick every little thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related
bawling

Only the things that are wrong.

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What's Richard Dawkins line about convenient truths? "Just because something feels good doesn't make it true." ...paraphrased heavily, I'm sure, but no less pertinent.

Originally posted by Digi
Only the things that are wrong.

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How unfair of you... 😉 😄

Originally posted by Digi
If there were an entire race of them, there would be some fossil record of them. As it is, there is none whatsoever. Now, which do think is more likely, that we've never discovered a single fossil of a race of giants that once existed, or that they never existed? Both are possible, obviously, but one is far more likely. And contrary to some misinformation that exists on the subject, the modern fossil record of our lineage is very comprehensive.
it (Zeus, thousands of others, etc). So I think this particular musing takes the idea a bit too far.

You're familiar with the ceolacanth fish, right? Maybe a discovery similar that, but with a giant race might happen. One day: BOOM!, just like that a fossil is found.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=chinese%20dragon&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

the oarfish mighty suspicious looking..

WS, thumbnails bro.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You're familiar with the ceolacanth fish, right? Maybe a discovery similar that, but with a giant race might happen. One day: BOOM!, just like that a fossil is found.

K. Doesn't do anything to refute my opinion though. I'm not going to acknowledge a hypothetical fossil that could be found someday, but probably doesn't exist. Would you consider an entire species as being plausible before any evidence was found of it?