Mister X vs Bullseye · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I don't really see how knowing that X is a telepath is relevant. Bullseye will ricochet shots like he always does, and when X has greater trouble dodging those, he'll continue to do so.

he does not always ricochet shots and again why assume he will have harder time? He was doing just fine, it was cho mind that was the problem not the projectiles.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thats utter bullshit. prove it. lieing like that is just sad. of coruse you won't prove it becuase your lieing sack of shit anyways.

bullseye is unpredictable nutcase, of course osborn is afraid of him. osborn knows bullseye is not the most rational person and might kill him if there's an incentive. I don't need to prove that...its pretty much common sense.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he does not always ricochet shots and again why assume he will have harder time? He was doing just fine, it was cho mind that was the problem not the projectiles.

was cho richocheting objects or throwing them directly at Mister X?

thats a big difference.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
was cho richocheting objects or throwing them directly at Mister X?
thats a big difference.

he richocheting them and it was x could not understand his mind.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol
she all around physically superior I would say.

Not familiar with their strength feats. Speedwise I'd say they are fairly comparable. Durability goes to Lester. Agility probably too.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thanks.
really dam I thought he said something elses.
yea ghost remember he phased and ko mister x the first time, but then x in later issues was able to senses him even while phased.

When he was stalking X in his bedroom?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
maybe I mean i think a lot of it is how cho views the world, he looks at it all like mathmatical equation.

That seems right.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
bullseye is unpredictable nutcase, of course osborn is afraid of him. osborn knows bullseye is not the most rational person and might kill him if there's an incentive. I don't need to prove that...its pretty much common sense.

no it not. osborn himself is not rational. to assume he scared of bullseye is absurd. prove it. you lied and got caught simply admit it like a man.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not familiar with their strength feats. Speedwise I'd say they are fairly comparable. Durability goes to Lester. Agility probably too.

she a peak human. though she has very little to no strength feats. durability does go to bullseye. I disagree with agility black widow has crazy agility and I say she faster to. She not much superior to him, but slightly I would say.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When he was stalking X in his bedroom?
That seems right.

yea

yup

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Starscream M
bullseye is unpredictable nutcase, of course osborn is afraid of him. osborn knows bullseye is not the most rational person and might kill him if there's an incentive. I don't need to prove that...its pretty much common sense.

Norman is nuts, too. Did you see what he did to Deadpool? Or how he stomped Hyde, Whirlwind and Boomerang at the same time? He thinks he can control everyone, that is why he's not afraid of him.

Tasky was chosen also because he was the head of camp hammer and punked Avengers.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Battlehammer
she a peak human. though she has very little to no strength feats. durability does go to bullseye. I disagree with agility black widow has crazy agility and I say she faster to. She not much superior to him, but slightly I would say.

Just remembered awesome agility feat from Invincible Iron Man. She bounced off the walls and got on the roof, it looked pretty cool. Can't picture Lester doing that for some reason.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just remembered awesome agility feat from Invincible Iron Man. She bounced off the walls and got on the roof, it looked pretty cool. Can't picture Lester doing that for some reason.

I agree, and in mighty avengers when she made ares fall in love with her because of his bad ass acrobatic kill franzy she did on all the iron man armors.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Bendis run? She had a lot of great ag feats in that one. You convinced me.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bendis run? She had a lot of great ag feats in that one. You convinced me.

yea I think it was bendis.

lol

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he does not always ricochet shots and again why assume he will have harder time? He was doing just fine, it was cho mind that was the problem not the projectiles.

He quite often does. Not every single shot, no, but that's not necessary.

I think he would have a harder time because... he did. No, he couldn't tell from Cho's mind where the projectiles would go, but he couldn't compensate with personal reflexes afterwards because he couldn't read the projectiles' minds, since, well, they don't have any.

Plus I don't really see Bullseye's mind working differently than Cho's in that regard. It wouldn't be mathematical so much as intuitive, but it would be simply a series of angles and instinctual throwing, which X apparently has trouble perceiving.

I think it's highly improbable that Bullseye perceives the world when throwing things in a fashion at all similar to the rest of the world. There's something inhuman about his aim, and that would be a hurdle for X to cope with.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
He quite often does. Not every single shot, no, but that's not necessary.

depends on the scenerio, but wouldent this be featureless given that the opt did not pick a scenerio?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I think he would have a harder time because... he did. No, he couldn't tell from Cho's mind where the projectiles would go, but he couldn't compensate with personal reflexes afterwards because he couldn't read the projectiles' minds, since, well, they don't have any.

But he can read bullseye mind so would that not make it irrelevent? he also dodged every signle arrow but one and that was more from surprises it seemed then lack of reflexes.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Plus I don't really see Bullseye's mind working differently than Cho's in that regard. It wouldn't be mathematical so much as intuitive, but it would be simply a series of angles and instinctual throwing, which X apparently has trouble perceiving.

No x has trouble reading some ones mind who analyzes everything in advance mathmetical equations something bullseye has never once shown to do, let a lone we would assume his mind works anything like the 7th smartest perosn on the planet and possibly top 3 most tactical minds.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I think it's highly improbable that Bullseye perceives the world when throwing things in a fashion at all similar to the rest of the world. There's something inhuman about his aim, and that would be a hurdle for X to cope with.

you assume so with out any evidence that he sees the world any different. If he can read taskmaster mind who has bullseye abilities seem very imporable to assume x can not read bullseye mind who never once shown to operrate on any level x would not be able to understand.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No x has trouble reading some ones mind who analyzes everything in advance mathmetical equations something bullseye has never once shown to do, let a lone we would assume his mind works anything like the 7th smartest perosn on the planet and possibly top 3 most tactical minds.

He doesn't need to fall into the top 7 overall smartest, he simply needs to fall into that top few as far as calculating aim goes, and he clearly does. I mean, it's not like it was Cho's science knowledge that was edging out X, it was just his mind's capacity to deduce ridiculous arcs and paths for thrown objects, which is something that Bullseye clearly has to a probably greater degree. Cho arrives there through mathematical calculation, Bullseye arrives there through basic intuition, but it's not like X is shown to have an easier time with that- it's simply the complexity that X can't follow, or hasn't been shown to be capable of following.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
He doesn't need to fall into the top 7 overall smartest, he simply needs to fall into that top few as far as calculating aim goes, and he clearly does.

He clearly falls into skill with aiming, that does not mean he see's the world anything like cho and there zero evidences of him ever showing anything like how cho sees the world.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I mean, it's not like it was Cho's science knowledge that was edging out X, it was just his mind's capacity to deduce ridiculous arcs and paths for thrown objects, which is something that Bullseye clearly has to a probably greater degree.

Not at all, it was how how viewed the world in advances mathmatics, something bullseye has never shown anything closes to that level. It not the arcs, or any such thing, it the way he looks at everything, You don't have to see the world like cho to pull of the physical aspects of what he did. Hell capt done it, wolverine, taskmaster, that in no way makes there mind operrate like cho's.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Cho arrives there through mathematical calculation, Bullseye arrives there through basic intuition, but it's not like X is shown to have an easier time with that- it's simply the complexity that X can't follow, or hasn't been shown to be capable of following.

X could not understad mathematicla equations. bullseye arriving there through baisic intuition would not hinder x at all, he know what bullseye was trying to do. It had nothing to do with what cho was doing it was how he arrived at his goal which was so mathematically oriented that X could not understand it. Bullseye does not view the world like this and x would have no trouble understand what he was doing.

it the way cho mind worked nothing elses and even then X dodged every single arrow but one.

Original Smurph tu quoqumber

Originally posted by Battlehammer

X could not understad mathematicla equations. bullseye arriving there through baisic intuition would not hinder x at all, he know what bullseye was trying to do.

Cho's goals weren't spelled out in math, only the thinking process to get there. Bullseye's, based on feats, would be no different. Bullseye subconsciously figures out the angles, but that is just a separate process that X would be equally clueless to.

All that it means is that X has trouble deducing where his opponents' ammo is going to end up based on their thoughts if the flight path is extremely complicated. I would argue the same thing with respect to X dodging Cyclops' blasts or Cap's shield.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Cho's goals weren't spelled out in math, only the thinking process to get there. Bullseye's, based on feats, would be no different. Bullseye subconsciously figures out the angles, but that is just a separate process that X would be equally clueless to.

Not at all, cho showed his mind working in mathmatical way, which X could not understand which is why he was like "what I don't", becuase he did not understand Cho mind. There zero evidence that Bullseye mind operrates in any way similar to that. X only got hit becuase he could not understand cho mind and surprised him. Thats not going to happen with X.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
All that it means is that X has trouble deducing where his opponents' ammo is going to end up based on their thoughts if the flight path is extremely complicated. I would argue the same thing with respect to X dodging Cyclops' blasts or Cap's shield.

then you be mistaken. It was clearly shown his problem with how x mind work, he could not understand the mathmatical problems being done. Which si the only reason why he got hit, he would have no such trouble with wolverine or bullseye, or capt or taskmaster. Even still he was able to dodge every single attack of cho's except one.

again it was clearly shown that his problem was that he could not understand cho mind becuase it views the world in advances mathmatics, something bullseye does not do.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Even still he was able to dodge every single attack of cho's except one.

one was all cho needed anyways.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
one was all cho needed anyways.

not at all x simply ripped it out and kept going.

also it was stated by cho himself he was doing zillions of conculations and that X could read his mind, but not understand it. this is something bullseye can't do. It had nothing to do with cho physical ability or even the arrows, it was the fact he could not understand cho mind which was clearly shown. What cho did is not something bullseye can do, it not even relevent.