Nova w/Worldmind and full Nova Force vs. Mr. Majestic

Originally posted by batdude123
The same writer that had Majestic rearrange the solar system (Joe Casey) stated that Superman could have done it just as easily. Not to mention, Casey has stated numerous times that he views Superman as the most powerful character in comics.

Ok, so that would put him right around 200,000 x light speed (considering that the Milky Way Galaxy is 100,000 light years across). Superman has feats that would suggest he's much faster than that.

Never mind the fact that Kal-El isn't the most powerful character in comics. Joe Casey's perception on things is a bit distorted, especially if he believes that Post-Crisis Superman can do the same things. The creator of Blue Marvel has also stated that his character was supposed to be weaker than Sentry but stronger than Superman. 😕

In short, writers saying things doesn't make it so.

If we're talking about Pre-Crisis Superman, sure.

Originally posted by Warlord
yes yes that, the supersneeze and other masterpieces of comic literature...

I guess it depends if you like extravaganza in what you are reading...
I'm really not that type of guy anyway

It's fodder for Rumbles, but personally I'm a bigger fan of something like Hitman, or reading stories where Captain America or Superman be the inspirational icons they're supposed to be, instead of showing off how tough they are.

Displays of ridiculous cosmic power are fun in smaller doses, though. I think it'd get old quick if that'll all I was reading..

@ctdm,
That was one of the reasons why Iron Fist and Nova were so compelling to me as characters when I was a kid. Even to this very day.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Never mind the fact that Kal-El isn't the most powerful character in comics. Joe Casey's perception on things is a bit distorted, especially if he believes that Post-Crisis Superman can do the same things. The creator of Blue Marvel has also stated that his character was supposed to be weaker than Sentry but stronger than Superman. 😕

In short, writers saying things doesn't make it so.

If we're talking about Pre-Crisis Superman, sure.

Ok, so at best, you're using evidence from a writer you find to be facetious?

Also, there's a HUGE difference between saying that a character can replicate a feat performed by another character and the example you used with Blue Marvel. I'll let you try and figure out what that difference is.

No, there are Post-Crisis feats that clock him as being faster than that.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Why does this matter? Majestic isn't battling Richards in a test of brains. He's fighting Richard Rider.

you're the one that brought combat application of intellect up. I was simply stating majestic cant hack and reprogram worldmind as it is far more inteligent than him, proven by the fact that richards was a groupie arround it and clearly below it in intelect

Originally posted by batdude123

No, there are Post-Crisis feats that clock him as being faster than that.

There are post-crisis feats that place SM above 200.000 times the speed of light?

Yes.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes.

like what?

Countdown #48

Superman flies from the Vega system (roughly 25 light years away) to Earth in moments.

Originally posted by batdude123
Countdown #48

Superman flies from the Vega system (roughly 25 light years away) to Earth in 25 years.

Originally posted by batdude123
Countdown #48

Superman flies from the Vega system (roughly 25 light years away) to Earth in moments.

is there a way to tell how long it took? what's your estimate?

Nova wins.

Originally posted by Blanket
fixed

hoss

Originally posted by 753
is there a way to tell how long it took? what's your estimate?

Jimmy heard screaming in the sky, then alerted Superman to it. Right after that, Lightray was knocked to the ground, and that's when Superman showed up.

There's no definitive way to tell how long it took, but a conservative estimate would be a few minutes at most.

Tbh, it didn't even look like it took that long, imo.

Originally posted by batdude123
hoss

Jimmy heard screaming in the sky, then alerted Superman to it. Right after that, Lightray was knocked to the ground, and that's when Superman showed up.

There's no definitive way to tell how long it took, but a conservative estimate would be a few minutes at most.

You know how to wound.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ok, so at best, you're using evidence from a writer you find to be facetious?

Also, there's a HUGE difference between saying that a character can replicate a feat performed by another character and the example you used with Blue Marvel. I'll let you try and figure out what that difference is.

No, there are Post-Crisis feats that clock him as being faster than that.

No, I think his statement is wrong.

My Blue Marvel example simply shows that writers' judgments should not be accepted without scrutiny. Superman has not shown that he can replicate such strength feats. He hasn't shown he can replicate such speed feats.

Nothing from Countdown should be accepted blindly. It is full of inconsistencies and nonsense. 😘

Originally posted by Blanket
Surfer is still 20x faster

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
No, I think his statement is wrong.

My Blue Marvel example simply shows that writers' judgments should not be accepted without scrutiny. Superman has not shown that he can replicate such strength feats. He hasn't shown he can replicate such speed feats.

Nothing from Countdown should be accepted blindly. It is full of inconsistencies and nonsense. 😘

Joe Casey's Superman vibrated (yes... "vibrated"😉 an entire planet to a different dimension, thus saving the DC omniverse. baka

Plus, Casey also had Superman tear through multiple Imperiex Probes like tissue paper when 1 Imperiex Probe was enough to own J'onn, Flash, and GL Kyle at the same time.

I wouldn't underestimate just how powerful Joe Casey's views on Superman are.

Casey has written for both Majestic and Superman. If he says that Superman could have replicated that feat, then I'm inclined to believe him. Certainly it's a more valid opinion on the subject than either yours or mine.

The reason you won't see Superman do something like that is because there's never been a context or situation where something like that is necessary. That being said, however, Superman has stated on multiple occasions that his punches can shatter moons and planets.

Also, nice argument for the Countdown feat. "I don't like it, therefore, it never happened." 👆

Regardless, that's simply one example. In Action Comics 847, Superman travels multiple light years in the time span of less than 3 hours.

Originally posted by batdude123

Casey has written for both Majestic and Superman. If he says that Superman could have replicated that feat, then I'm inclined to believe him. Certainly it's a more valid opinion on the subject than either yours or mine.

The reason you won't see Superman do something like that is because there's never been a context or situation where something like that is necessary.

But didn't Superman need help to move the moon?

Stuff like that is why people are skeptical of Joe Casey's assessment on Superman. Even if he wrote him, that doesn't mean he's familiar with all or most of his post crisis work.. Lots of writers write a character without reading others works or being familiar with their history.

You don't seem to be very bright.