Originally posted by Omega Vision
(1) Tough Call. I'd say FC DS but that's mostly due to him being in his true form, not so much the ALE.(2) Probably and no way respectively.
This is a joke right... How many times do we have to go over this Omega. It wasn't just DS in his true form... it was a whole bunch of events that HAD to take place for him to do what he did. Not just events like him dying and the ALE being a big part of it but it wasn't even a plan or somethign he could just do. He had to die first.. space and time had to be cracked by the war and the ALE respectively. Then it wasn't like he waved his had and this sigularity called DS started dragging down the multiverse. It was simply him coming into a world where he didn't belong and DS position as the "Evil God" not existing anymore and messing up said balance. You act like it was a wave of his hand, all apart of his plan and somethign he can just do on his own. Sorry not the case.
As for the thread... LT wins.. his ONLY trouble is the source. SF DS gets wtf pwned with ease.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is a joke right... How many times do we have to go over this Omega. It wasn't just DS in his true form... it was a whole bunch of events that HAD to take place for him to do what he did. Not just events like him dying and the ALE being a big part of it but it wasn't even a plan or somethign he could just do. He had to die first.. space and time had to be cracked by the war and the ALE respectively. Then it wasn't like he waved his had and this sigularity called DS started dragging down the multiverse. It was simply him coming into a world where he didn't belong and DS position as the "Evil God" not existing anymore and messing up said balance. You act like it was a wave of his hand, all apart of his plan and somethign he can just do on his own. Sorry not the case.As for the thread... LT wins.. his ONLY trouble is the source. SF DS gets wtf pwned with ease.
Mandrakk even says that it was Darkseid's death and fall (not the ALE) that ripped a hole in reality allowing Mandrakk to enter the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're right, he didn't wave his hand, he didn't have to. His mere existence was causing reality to die and collapse into a singularity. He didn't want to accept defeat and go quietly, the ALE was just a tool that allowed him to enslave the Earth but the ****ing over of time and space was mostly his doing just by sitting his fat cosmic ass on his throne and making speeches.Mandrakk even says that it was Darkseid's death and fall (not the ALE) that ripped a hole in reality allowing Mandrakk to enter the Multiverse.
Right but he wasn't CAUSING it directly under his own power. He didn't belong in the world he was entering thus the whole multiverse went down the pooper. Add to the fact that the balance of the universe was through off because there was no longer a "evil god" that balanced things out. However, make no mistake those are the reason the multiverse was collasping, not because under his powerset he could do so. Many different variables had to happen that wasn't in his control nor his plan for that chain of events to occur. You act like he exercised multiversal power in FC.. he didn't. Things were thrown out of balance when he died… he didn't belong in this world he was trying to enter.. and his sheer will power of not wanting to go easily caused the multiverse to collaspe. NOT HIS OWN POWERSET. Jesus how many times does this need to be explained.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but he wasn't CAUSING it directly under his own power. He didn't belong in the world he was entering thus the whole multiverse went down the pooper. Add to the fact that the balance of the universe was through off because there was no longer a "evil god" that balanced things out. However, make no mistake those are the reason the multiverse was collasping, not because under his powerset he could do so. Many different variables had to happen that wasn't in his control nor his plan for that chain of events to occur. You act like he exercised multiversal power in FC.. he didn't. Things were thrown out of balance when he died… he didn't belong in this world he was trying to enter.. and his sheer will power of not wanting to go easily caused the multiverse to collaspe. NOT HIS OWN POWERSET. Jesus how many times does this need to be explained.
No longer a 'evil god' what?? DS was still around in FC and it was him being in the multiverse that caused it to start collapsing (also his powerset as well), Omega is correct comon Kurpt! 😕
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but he wasn't CAUSING it directly under his own power. He didn't belong in the world he was entering thus the whole multiverse went down the pooper. Add to the fact that the balance of the universe was through off because there was no longer a "evil god" that balanced things out. However, make no mistake those are the reason the multiverse was collasping, not because under his powerset he could do so. Many different variables had to happen that wasn't in his control nor his plan for that chain of events to occur. You act like he exercised multiversal power in FC.. he didn't. Things were thrown out of balance when he died… he didn't belong in this world he was trying to enter.. and his sheer will power of not wanting to go easily caused the multiverse to collaspe. NOT HIS OWN POWERSET. Jesus how many times does this need to be explained.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right but he wasn't CAUSING it directly under his own power. He didn't belong in the world he was entering thus the whole multiverse went down the pooper. Add to the fact that the balance of the universe was through off because there was no longer a "evil god" that balanced things out. However, make no mistake those are the reason the multiverse was collasping, not because under his powerset he could do so. Many different variables had to happen that wasn't in his control nor his plan for that chain of events to occur. You act like he exercised multiversal power in FC.. he didn't. Things were thrown out of balance when he died… he didn't belong in this world he was trying to enter.. and his sheer will power of not wanting to go easily caused the multiverse to collaspe. NOT HIS OWN POWERSET. Jesus how many times does this need to be explained.
Btw it had nothing to do with some mixture of DS and the world causing havoc simply because he didn't belong. He was causing havoc because he's a higher dimensional being falling through the fabric of space-time in a lower dimesnional realm.
It was stated a hundred times that Darkseid was the devil god dragging the whole multiverse into a singularity which was actually the center of Darkseid's own being.
Your theory is flawed because you don't know why Darkseid was dragging the multiverse down in the first place. His plan has always been to become supreme by recreating the 5th world (new iteration of reality) into his own image.
So New Genesis almost succeeded (even though they lost the battle) with Darkseid falling out of creation, but he stopped his descent. He then began to drag the multiverse within reach of the ALE (which was in one world) to enact his eons long plan for his version of the 5th world.
Without DS and his dark gods the 5th world would naturally have the heroes and humans becoming the new New Gods, eventually. Darkseid saw this future and wanted to prevent it for his own ends.
Originally posted by Astner
Don't treat your poor speculation as canon fact.
The guy who created the Primal Monitor confirmed it. If it was my speculation, I'd have said as much.
The Overvoid, which is what surrounds the entirety of the DC universe - multiverse and other dimensions including the 4th world and the Monitor world - is actually stated as being the Source by Morrison.
He clearly refers to the Source as God in DC. The Overvoid is the Source which is also the mind of the Primal Monitor. http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/950/950703p2.html
Originally posted by quanchi112
Since when?
Since forever. They've been hinted as being the same being since Kirby wrote Highfather meeting the Uni Friend. Now we actually have a unified cosmic hierachy that makes sense. Many considered it an aspect of the Presence but now we can say they're one and the same, with different names. God from the New God's perspective - the Source. And the Presence from the perspective of the judeo christian angels.