Riddle of Epicurus, your answer?

Originally posted by Bardock42
There's a website dedicated to reviewing House from a Medical Doctors perspective actually. Is interesting to read.

I can imagine, don´t bother adding a link we´ll just delve through the vast internet looking for it. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I can imagine, don´t bother adding a link we´ll just delve through the vast internet looking for it. 😮‍💨

I'm glad you see it the same way as me, enjoy.

This riddle of Epicurus is, as shown, flawed. However its essence is of some philosophical merit.
It is currently characterized as the "Problem of Evil" Which, roughly summarized is as such:
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-good, why does evil exist today?
There are many arguments for both sides, that this so called problem is not actually a problem, or that God as such does not exist.
These arguments run the entire gamut of theological though.
They appeal to the greater good of Heaven, to misconceptions of what evil may be, and even something called the best possible worlds argument.

If you are interested in this, I recommend checking out this link
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

It is from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, which in general is a very good source to get an overview of specific philosophical topics.

I think the riddle serves as a good counter to the compassionate God; compassion as defined by humans, of course.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In a way, yes. We are all part of God. However, it is a very, very large universe, and we are as insignificant as a grain of sand. It is simply a product of our ego, to ask such a question in the first place.

no, if God exists then we are not insignificant at all, he sent his son to die for our sins, i wouldnt call that insignificant. If you're simply saying we're insignificant on a "universal scale" due to our actual size..then that has nothing to do with anything the OP mentioned.

Anyway, the simple answer is this..

Evil is mans burden, not Gods. Consider this, evil must exist in order for good to exist, human state of pleasure is directly related to the good things happening to us in light of the evil things that could happen. Would you let your child ride his new bike at the park? Yes, so would i, but there is quite a good chance he may slip and fall or graze his knee or split a lip or somesuch, but we let the child go knowing full well what might happen.

Just like you can't storm into a nation, kill it's army and it's king and then say to it's people "there you are free, you're welcome" God cannot come down here and smite every petty theiving, child molesting, car stealing, money launderer who ever lived. Why? Because evil is OUR burden, not Gods. The whole riddle is null and void, simply because it's based on Human ideals and we have no idea of the ideals of any God.

I'm gonna have to pick 4. I would view god as an entity who creates something and lets it do its own thing, with absolutely no involvement. More or less an inventor, or maybe even just the builder. These universes prolly some off an assembly line like an XBox.

Originally posted by Juk3n
no, if God exists then we are not insignificant at all, he sent his son to die for our sins, i wouldnt call that insignificant. If you're simply saying we're insignificant on a "universal scale" due to our actual size..then that has nothing to do with anything the OP mentioned.

Originally posted by rader
It seems you only look at this from a christian stand point. Kinda narrow-minded, considering the riddler could've been from any faith.

Epicurus was an Greek from about 300BC. So I'm going to bet that he that most people he knew believed in the Greek gods/fate. He himself was an atomistic, materialist, hedonist (in the philosophical sense).

Originally posted by Juk3n
no, if God exists then we are not insignificant at all, he sent his son to die for our sins, i wouldnt call that insignificant. If you're simply saying we're insignificant on a "universal scale" due to our actual size..then that has nothing to do with anything the OP mentioned…

So, there is only one god to you, and that is a Christian god? What if I was talking about a real God, and not a Christian god?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Epicurus was an Greek from about 300BC. So I'm going to bet that he that most people he knew believed in the Greek gods/fate. He himself was an atomistic, materialist, hedonist (in the philosophical sense).

Originally posted by rader
I thought the Greek Gods died out long before that... I'm prolly wrong though.

Yeah, you are pretty definitely wrong.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, there is only one god to you, and that is a Christian god? What if I was talking about a real God, and not a Christian god?

no i just used the christian God as an example, im of no faith, so using one God from one religion in my example is the same as using anyother , if ANY God exists each religion has about the same chance of it being "there own" God.

Originally posted by Juk3n
no i just used the christian God as an example, im of no faith, so using one God from one religion in my example is the same as using anyother , if ANY God exists each religion has about the same chance of it being "there own" God.

However, I wasn't talking about any of those gods.

Originally posted by rader
I'm gonna have to pick 4. I would view god as an entity who creates something and lets it do its own thing, with absolutely no involvement. More or less an inventor, or maybe even just the builder. These universes prolly some off an assembly line like an XBox.

Agree👆 if God is anything he's simply the guy at the top of the mountain who tosses thr first stone to start the avalanche. Evolution to me is all part of Gods plan, i mean if there IS a God. Seems sound to me, why create a lifeform/s that die at the first sign of change in the environment. If there is a God, i think it's very probable he simply gave us a life, gave us this world, said 10 words and left us to our own devices.

"Good Luck, Be Good and clean up after yourselves...Goodbye".
It's Humans that sorta added anything else, sorta like..

God "Good Luck, Be Good and clean up after yourselves...Goodbye".
*Opens door, leaves, Closes door starts car, drives off*
Man runs out in his underpants and socks.. " Hey, i don't know how to work the oven, How do we contact you of we need somth....." - dust trails from the car -
Man walks back into the house goes to the kitchen, sees a card pinned to the fridge " Incase of emergency, Gods Answer Machine - please leave a messege"
Story of mans life 😛

makes about as much sense as any other explaination.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Agree👆 if God is anything he's simply the guy at the top of the mountain who tosses thr first stone to start the avalanche. Evolution to me is all part of Gods plan, i mean if there IS a God. Seems sound to me, why create a lifeform/s that die at the first sign of change in the environment. If there is a God, i think it's very probable he simply gave us a life, gave us this world, said 10 words and left us to our own devices.

"Good Luck, Be Good and clean up after yourselves...Goodbye".
It's Humans that sorta added anything else, sorta like..

God "Good Luck, Be Good and clean up after yourselves...Goodbye".
*Opens door, leaves, Closes door starts car, drives off*
Man runs out in his underpants and socks.. "How do we contact you of we need somth....." - dust trails from the car -
Man walks back into the house goes to the kitchen, sees a card pinned to the fridge " Incase of emergency, Gods Answer Machine - please leave a messege"
Story of mans life 😛

makes about as much sense as any other explaination.

Do you believe that one day, in the future, humans will be extinct?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, I wasn't talking about any of those gods.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you believe that one day, in the future, humans will be extinct?

Originally posted by Juk3n
absolutley, if not extinct then just watered down with another speicies, no speices lives forever, change is inevitable. But im half sure there will always be human on this planet as long as it is inhabitable.

One day the sun will die, and the Earth will be gone. Humans will one day be gone. If there is a god that thinks humans are special, then what does that say about god who lets his/her/it's creation go extinct? I think it is more likely that we don't matter to God.

Originally posted by Juk3n
same for the greek ones and the roman ones, same for any of the Gods you WERE using. As far as humans are conserned a God is god, all powerful, all knowing, when has he ever been refered to as anything other?

When I say God, I mean the Mystic Law. The Mystic Law is not a god, but I'm talking to people who cannot understand what that means, and there is no way I can explain. I can try, but this is what I get.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
One day the sun will die, and the Earth will be gone. Humans will one day be gone. If there is a god that thinks humans are special, then what does that say about god who lets his/her/it's creation go extinct? I think it is more likely that we don't matter to God.

See that? You're assuming God jumped straite into making a man, like i said "tossing the stone off of the mountain" he simply (if anything) made it possible for life to be, grow, change,survive/whatever" Im sure he might be a little sad if all life were to be extinct, but who knows what might happen? The 'V's' might come, and interbreed, take some of us away to another planet where the humans will be watered down but still there, 1 part of 2/4/8/16/32...../1000 it'll be a new lifeform, with a lil bit of human in, just as God intended change/grow/adapt/survive...live. Not necasserily "Gods Plan" but if he just wound life up and let it go the far reaching consequences could go alot further than earth.

Originally posted by Juk3n
See that? You're assuming God jumped straite into making a man, like i said "tossing the stone off of the mountain" he simply (if anything) made it possible for life to be, grow, change,survive/whatever" Im sure he might be a little sad if all life were to be extinct, but who knows what might happen? The 'V's' might come, and interbreed, take some of us away to another planet where the humans will be watered down but still there, 1 part of 2/4/8/6/32...../1000 it'll be a new lifeform, with a lil bit of human in, just as God intended change/grow/adapt/survive...live. Not necasserily "Gods Plan" but if he just wound life up and let it go the far reaching consequences could go alot further than earth.

I am not making any such assumption. I do not believe in any creation. I also do not believe in supernatural. That means God is natural. You could say God is nature, but even that is fundamentally wrong.