Riddle of Epicurus, your answer?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Riddle of Epicurus:---

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent!
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent!
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

your ideas and answers please🙂

I never try to solve the riddle nor do I try to find flaws.

I've seen it before and always made the observation that the first question begins with a deity. Then follows with a conclusion of a male by saying "he".

"He" for me establishes a male human concept. I don't see the how can a male human be omnipotent. If the word "He" is replace with "God" then the conclusion would be more difficult to discuss.

I like a different statement "God is that which no greater can thought"

Heh.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not making any such assumption. I do not believe in any creation. I also do not believe in supernatural. That means God is natural. You could say God is nature, but even that is fundamentally wrong.

Then we share an almost identical view, personally, i think man created God to elevate himself above other men. but thats a whole other argument.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Then we share an almost identical view, personally, i think man created God to elevate himself above other men. but thats a whole other argument.

Did you read my profile?

However, I was answering the thread question: God doesn't care, was my answer.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I never try to solve the riddle nor do I try to find flaws.

I've seen it before and always made the observation that the first question begins with a deity. Then follows with a conclusion of a male by saying "he".

"He" for me establishes a male human concept. I don't see the how can a male human be omnipotent. If the word "He" is replace with "God" then the conclusion would be more difficult to discuss.

I like a different statement "God is that which no greater can thought"

Heh.

Enjoy Anselm do you?
But you must realize that there are a huge number of flaws in his proof of God argument...

I enjoy philosophy.

Does he have flaws? I'm sure he does. Just like you and me..we have our flaws. It would pretentious to say otherwise.

God farted/crapped out this universe and set the physical laws of the universe.

Now its all up to us, to do what we want, and its up to natural/physical laws when disaster occurs (flood famine hurricanes sunami's, meteor strikes asteroid obliteration etc...)

For me I decide to be in Christianity.

Maybe what some call god is both good and evil because of the definitions, actions, outcomes and labels we give it. But those ares only labels from a species that may not understand the workings of something or a process that is greater than we are.

its all just a test to see how we will survive imean this theme is in greek mythology the greek gods wud test the heroes too see if they can accomplish and conquer evil [ in this case we know what evil looks like in our modern perspective even ] not just voilent ways other ways to and sometimes the greek gods help the heroes out a little when all seems hopeless so tths what our god is like bout he is testing us against greater evil nd he does help ius idunno why an idot like epicurus didnt think bout it bfore he made these wuestions i mean wudnt anyone do tht ??

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

God is not concerned with the petty affairs of humans.

Funny when someone says "Why'd God allow Hitler to do the things he did?" God didn't allow it, he let it happen.

This is what I believe, that's all. Not trying to pass it off as law.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sort of. God granted us free will to do what we want, when we want.

Funny when someone says "Why'd God allow Hitler to do the things he did?" God didn't allow it, he let it happen.

That's exactly the same thing. I mean literally the same thing. Allow to happen and let happen are synonymous.

And even if we ignore all the problem of a loving entity somehow valuing the passions of Hitler over millions of victims that died in horror we have to ask how free will created cancer or AIDS or the Black Death or tsunamis or volcano. There's a lot of good in the world, sure, but an "all loving" god shouldn't be creating any superfluous suffering.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
God didn't allow it, he let it happen.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's exactly the same thing. I mean literally the same thing. Allow to happen and let happen are synonymous.

And even if we ignore all the problem of a loving entity somehow valuing the passions of Hitler over millions of victims that died in horror we have to ask how free will created cancer or AIDS or the Black Death or tsunamis or volcano. There's a lot of good in the world, sure, but an "all loving" god shouldn't be creating any superfluous suffering.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The old saying, "God has a plan." I don't pretend to understand it, I just go with it.

Which isn't really that different from "God doesn't have a plan", in practice they'd be identical (unless you pretend to understand God's plan).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which isn't really that different from "God doesn't have a plan", in practice they'd be identical (unless you pretend to understand God's plan).

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sort of. God granted us free will to do what we want, when we want.

Funny when someone says "Why'd God allow Hitler to do the things he did?" God didn't allow it, he let it happen.

This is what I believe, that's all. Not trying to pass it off as law.

I'm not convinced about free will. I think it is an illusion, but I don't know.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Riddle of Epicurus:---

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent!
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent!
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

your ideas and answers please🙂

God does whatever he wants to do. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
God does whatever he wants to do. 😮‍💨

Or is it more like, god does whatever people want?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or is it more like, god does whatever people want?

Originally posted by The MISTER
No. Humans are finite.

But in the real world, god doesn't do anything, but people do things. Like everyone who says the you will make god angry. The truth is, what they really mean is that they will get angry.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But in the real world, god doesn't do anything, but people do things. Like everyone who says the you will make god angry. The truth is, what they really mean is that they will get angry.