Protege Vs Primal Monitor

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision

I heard a theory on another site that Scathan was merely temporarily boosted by TOAA to be strong enough to defeat Protege. It has no real backing in the comic but it makes more sense than "Scathan is just a Celestial who somehow is > LT."


I'm the one that actually came to that conclusion,
and I proved it here with persuasive indirect yet related proof.
That other site just regurgitated my work.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=492799&pagenumber=1

Page 5-6 seals the deal.

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name

Actually I don't put scathan above lt...
He used a "celestial muzzle" which could be the equivalent of a un/ig or other cosmic artifact

cdtm Restricted
Originally posted by rotiart
Actually I don't put scathan above lt...
He used a "celestial muzzle" which could be the equivalent of a un/ig or other cosmic artifact

The problem with that, is The Celestials having always had artifacts that could defeat the Living Tribunal is a less palatable explanation than Scathan getting a one time power up.

But even the "TOAA empowers Scathan" argument requires a leap of faith, since it's not directly supported by on panel evidence.. (And why empower Scathan, instead of your personal cosmic judge?)

I'm thinking it's just a case of old fashioned PIS. The writer didn't think this through, and ended it poorly.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by cdtm
The problem with that, is The Celestials having always had artifacts that could defeat the Living Tribunal is a less palatable explanation than Scathan getting a one time power up.

But even the "TOAA empowers Scathan" argument requires a leap of faith, since it's not directly supported by on panel evidence.. (And why empower Scathan, instead of your personal cosmic judge?)

I'm thinking it's just a case of old fashioned PIS. The writer didn't think this through, and ended it poorly.


Agreed. Its best to just ignore this crappy story and the headaches trying to make sense of it induces.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm thinking it's just a case of old fashioned PIS. The writer didn't think this through, and ended it poorly.
This is the most plausible (and logical) explanation. All of the other opinions being thrown out in this thread are just that: opinions. ie. the opposite of a fact.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I heard a theory on another site that Scathan was merely temporarily boosted by TOAA to be strong enough to defeat Protege. It has no real backing in the comic but it makes more sense than "Scathan is just a Celestial who somehow is > LT."

Because if that were the case and Scathan > LT then wouldn't that make him in effect more powerful than all his fellow Celestials combined? That sounds fishy.


Scathan exists in the future, not the present. For all we know he could have been some kind of "super celestial" that developed.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

PM FTW..even if Protege have the power of the entire Marvel multiverse..it's still nothing compare to PM..

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by Slaanesh
PM FTW..even if Protege have the power of the entire Marvel multiverse..it's still nothing compare to PM..
there are things beyond the marvel multiverse.
the marvel multiverse is nothing but a drop of water to a vast ocean to the beyond realm.
and thats were beyonder came from.
beyonder noticed a tiny multiverse in the beyond realm and went in to see it

Xplosive Restricted
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there are things beyond the marvel multiverse.
the marvel multiverse is nothing but a drop of water to a vast ocean to the beyond realm.
and thats were beyonder came from.
beyonder noticed a tiny multiverse in the beyond realm and went in to see it

Protege was far more than Marvel Multiverse.
PreBeyonder was retconned. This is not about PreB but Protege Vs. PM.
PM wins.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there are things beyond the marvel multiverse.
the marvel multiverse is nothing but a drop of water to a vast ocean to the beyond realm.
and thats were beyonder came from.
beyonder noticed a tiny multiverse in the beyond realm and went in to see it

that's why i think Beyonder = PM..but we're talking about Protege here..not Beyonder..

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Agreed. Its best to just ignore this crappy story and the headaches trying to make sense of it induces.
If you ignore the story then you shouldn't debate about characters that were in this story such as the Protege.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Scathan exists in the future, not the present. For all we know he could have been some kind of "super celestial" that developed.
Exactly. Comparing him to the average celestial when we saw so little of him and we saw him outperform any Celestial prior to or since this is fault logic. Scathan is by far the greatest celestial we have ever seen on panel and fromt he future and any comparisons to 616 or other Celestials aren't fair by any stretch of the imagination.

Prep-Man Senior Member
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there are things beyond the marvel multiverse.
the marvel multiverse is nothing but a drop of water to a vast ocean to the beyond realm.
and thats were beyonder came from.
beyonder noticed a tiny multiverse in the beyond realm and went in to see it

Do you think Protege = Beyonder?