Originally posted by Starscream MZoom approaches the first temple guarded by Mu. How does he beat Mu?
ok, Zoom beats them.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Hmm. have no diea about these characters at all. But ill go with Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Uh...Classic Captain Comet?
Captain Comet approaches the first temple guarded by Mu. How does he beat Mu?
Originally posted by "Id"
Zoom approaches the first temple guarded by Mu. How does he beat Mu?Norrin approaches the first temple guarded by Mu. How does he beat Mu?
Captain Comet approaches the first temple guarded by Mu. How does he beat Mu?
Without PIS Iceman can destroy gold armors making them go into absolute zero, he can inhabit moisture around the sanctuary. The Saints with the best psychic abilities (Shaka, Saga) could be a threat, but his natural defenses against Psychic powers may apply. Don't know how exactly they would register Bobby's cosmos in order to locate him but it shouldn't be an easy feat. We know for a fact that absolute zero is capable of bringing Gold Saints down.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Absorbs him into his board or blasts him very hard.
Goody, Goody. Mu’s first real challenge.
Mu can teleport out of the Norrins board. Offensively Mu can relay on Starlight Extinction. Even if Norrin survives, and escapes it. I don’t know if he will be in a good enough condition to continue.
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Originally posted by "Id"
Goody, Goody. Mu’s first real challenge.Mu can teleport out of the Norrins board. Offensively Mu can relay on Starlight Extinction. Even if Norrin survives, and escapes it. I don’t know if he will be in a good enough condition to continue.
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Im not sure if teleporting out of norrin board is possible cuz ur body structure is changed and u are sort of fused with the board. Genis who iirc can open spatial apertures to go from one place to another couldnt get out of it. Also what exactly does that starlight extinction attack even do.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im not sure if teleporting out of norrin board is possible cuz ur body structure is changed and u are sort of fused with the board. Genis who iirc can open spatial apertures to go from one place to another couldnt get out of it. Also what exactly does that starlight extinction attack even do.
Besides fusing the Saints molecules are not so simple, considering a Saints armor (cloth) grants them invulnerability. (it goes back to my comment addressing matter manipulation).
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Starlight Extinction, does what is stated, and shown in those scans. Mu summons this blinding light, that absorbs everything in its path. Everything absorbed is destroyed. Considering it absorbed Iapetos dimension containing worlds, stars etc..and destroyed it. I am hard pressed to believe that if Norrin gets caught in, he will no survive.
Originally posted by "Id"
Genis-Vell as Legacy was a complete dong. Its was not his inability to escape the board, but his unwillingness act due to extreme tardism. Mu is the complete opposite, being a child prodigy well aware of the extant of his abilities. That, and his powers are internalized.Besides fusing the Saints molecules are not so simple, considering a Saints armor (cloth) grants them invulnerability. (it goes back to my comment addressing matter manipulation).
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7659/600o.jpgStarlight Extinction, does what is stated, and shown in those scans. Mu summons this blinding light, that absorbs everything in its path. Everything absorbed is destroyed. Considering it absorbed Iapetos dimension containing worlds, stars etc..and destroyed it. I am hard pressed to believe that if Norrin gets caught in, he will no survive.
I doubt he would willingly allow himself to simply be absorbed innto the board and stay there if he could simply escape. Regardless of how stupid he was he wouldnt allow himself to remain in such an unfavorable situation if he could have escaped.
Furthermore, relative invulnerability/high durability is not proof of resistance to manipulation. Surfer fused ravenous to his board and he is also highly invulnerable. Then we also have cases of him affecting wonderman, Lunatik, Skaar,thing etc. who have relative levels of invulnerability as well. Surfer is a the premier herald matter/energy manipulator in marvel and simply being durable doesnt cut it.
Also, not to use wiki as and end all be all source but i checked wiki to get a quick background on the .starlight extinction move and it was described as more of a teleportation move. If thats accurate then im confident that surfer can resist it without too much trouble. Even if it isnt, simply assimilating/absorbing an energy and matter manipulator of surfers calibur is certainly not an easy task, so im still pretty confident that surfer can resist it and still have alot left.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I doubt he would willingly allow himself to simply be absorbed innto the board and stay there if he could simply escape. Regardless of how stupid he was he wouldnt allow himself to remain in such an unfavorable situation if he could have escaped.Furthermore, relative invulnerability/high durability is not proof of resistance to manipulation. Surfer fused ravenous to his board and he is also highly invulnerable. Then we also have cases of him affecting wonderman, Lunatik, Skaar,thing etc. who have relative levels of invulnerability as well. Surfer is a the premier herald matter/energy manipulator in marvel and simply being durable doesnt cut it.
Also, not to use wiki as and end all be all source but i checked wiki to get a quick background on the .starlight extinction move and it was described as more of a teleportation move. If thats accurate then im confident that surfer can resist it without too much trouble. Even if it isnt, simply assimilating/absorbing an energy and matter manipulator of surfers calibur is certainly not an easy task, so im still pretty confident that surfer can resist it and still have alot left.
Legacy lacked the know how to properly execute his powers, or the maturity to assert just about any given situation. That was a common theme in his Captain Marvel books. Look at the scans, once caught Legacy is simply yelling, and banging to be released. Mu isn’t going to act in the same manner. As long as he can accesses his abilities, he should have no problem teleporting with a thought.
Gold Saints are invulnerable, and can resist matter transmutation. This is due to their cosmo power, with it Saints can atomically deconstruct, or reconstruct matter.
The Wiki is inaccurate. Starlight can be used to teleport. But its also used offensively, affirmed by the scan I posted.
Originally posted by "Id"
Legacy lacked the know how to properly execute his powers, or the maturity to assert just about any given situation. That was a common theme in his Captain Marvel books. Look at the scans, once caught Legacy is simply yelling, and banging to be released. Mu isn’t going to act in the same manner. As long as he can accesses his abilities, he should have no problem teleporting with a thought.Gold Saints are invulnerable, and can resist matter transmutation. This is due to their cosmo power, with it Saints can atomically deconstruct, or reconstruct matter.
The Wiki is inaccurate. Starlight can be used to teleport. But its also used offensively, affirmed by the scan I posted.
Yes legacy lacked the know how to use his powers to the level of the more advanced versions of genis. but didnt he still know how to open spatial apertures to transport himself from one point to another? If he did show this ability then its is quite far fetched think that he simply forgot about this ability. Especially since he had previously determined to prevent surfer from abandoning what he thought was Zen laa. Moreover, looking at the instance in question once again, legacy became one with the board and hence teleportation shouldnt be possible, since he is not inside it but rather is now a part of it.
If they can resist matter manip then please show me some examples of them resisting/ from someone on surfers level in regards to matter manip. Conversely pls show me something from them indicating that there matter manip prowess is on or above surfers level.
The scan u posted shows him using the starlight attack to cause things to vanish. Given that it could have simply vanished and appeared at some other area, its not that conclusive. This is especially so since u have confirmed that said attack can be used for teleportation. Still, im willing to accept ur description of its power as even then absorbing bodies of land and such is not equivalent to simply absorbing an energy and matter manipulator of surfers level and so surfer is still likely to survive (
it (and keep fighting) regardless of its nature.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Yes legacy lacked the know how to use his powers to the level of the more advanced versions of genis. but didnt he still know how to open spatial apertures to transport himself from one point to another? If he did show this ability then its is quite far fetched think that he simply forgot about this ability. Especially since he had previously determined to prevent surfer from abandoning what he thought was Zen laa. Moreover, looking at the instance in question once again, legacy became one with the board and hence teleportation shouldnt be possible, since he is not inside it but rather is now a part of it.If they can resist matter manip then please show me some examples of them resisting/ from someone on surfers level in regards to matter manip. Conversely pls show me something from them indicating that there matter manip prowess is on or above surfers level.
The scan u posted shows him using the starlight attack to cause things to vanish. Given that it could have simply vanished and appeared at some other area, its not that conclusive. This is especially so since u have confirmed that said attack can be used for teleportation. Still, im willing to accept ur description of its power as even then absorbing bodies of land and such is not equivalent to simply absorbing an energy and matter manipulator of surfers level and so surfer is still likely to survive (
it (and keep fighting) regardless of its nature.
I have scans but they are not translated in English. These scans show the Gold Saints fighting Titans, and Elder Gods who can create their own Universe (literally). As to the explanation of cosmo powers hold over their atomic structure.
Its really up to Mu how he wishes to apply Starlight Extinction. To the best of my knowledge, Starlight Extinction has only been used once to teleport Seiya, but there is good chance Mu teleported Seiya before being absorbed by the light since he wanted to fake Seiya’s death before his master. Otherwise any other time, characters have died by being absorbed by the light.
What you see in those scans are Mu’s attempt to stop the expansion of overlapping space, created by the Titan. The Titan is freaking out, because the Dimension he created was absorbed, and destroyed. That is a huge feat.
Originally posted by "Id"
If we are not seeing any attempt for Legacy to make use of his abilities, then it falls back to Genis succumbing to tardism rather applying his craft. (CIS)I have scans but they are not translated in English. These scans show the Gold Saints fighting Titans, and Elder Gods who can create their own Universe (literally). As to the explanation of cosmo powers hold over their atomic structure.
Its really up to Mu how he wishes to apply Starlight Extinction. To the best of my knowledge, Starlight Extinction has only been used once to teleport Seiya, but there is good chance Mu teleported Seiya before being absorbed by the light since he wanted to fake Seiya’s death before his master. Otherwise any other time, characters have died by being absorbed by the light.
What you see in those scans are Mu’s attempt to stop the expansion of overlapping space, created by the Titan. The Titan is freaking out, because the Dimension he created was absorbed, and destroyed. That is a huge feat.
No its not tardism but rather more likely an inability to. In this particular scenario he is actually fused with the board so teleporting out of it wouldnt really be possible.
Further, id have to actually see the fights against the elder gods and titans and therefore see the circumstances surrounding them. Moreover simply fighting elder gods in and of itself is not really sufficient in regards to their resistance to surfers matter manipulation
Destroying the Titans pocket dimension is impressive ( tho id like to get an idea of its size as that would determine the level of impressiveness) however my point still stands that absorbing masses of land is not justification for him absorbing the a high end energy/matter manipulator.
Anyhow id really need to know alot more about these characters before i engage in a serious debate about them so ill just leave it at that.
