Battle of the Twelve Houses: "Gold Saint Challenge"!!! · Battlezone

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, first you have to prove that Mu has faster-than-speed-of-light feats because I just proved that Flash already tops it, handily. Then it would be cool to know how much faster they are, because that can be pretty much anything. Flash was shown to be more than 1000 times the speed of light in that showing. Any thing less than that = saints are toast.
EVEN if you think some of them can compete, Flash can steal speed and become even more untouchable as he avances through the houses, so Mu has to be the one who tops Wally, they rest may have no chance.
So well, prove me wrong if you can. Challenge cleared?

You can believe what ever you want, fact is I already proved Mu is faster then light. And that feat falls short from a Saints ability to cover billions of galaxies in minutes. Flash isn’t beating someone who is faster, more well rounded then him.

Blair Wind The Iron Avenger

Wally can very clearly go faster than light. Its stated as such here:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/fastligh.jpg

However, Wally does not need to run or accerlate to achieve speed results. Here Wally subconsciously activates his super-speed, effectively stopping time, when he feels a bullet touch his neck. The part of him needing to eat to sustain the speed has been fixed as he now controls his powers better.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/bulneck.jpg
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http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/multibul.jpg

In addition to him being as fast as he already is, he can say the Speed Formula and become even faster. And since he has already achieved faster than light feats, this boost would increase that speed as well.

Wally gets the Speed Formula from Johnny Quick

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/johnspeed.jpg

Wally uses the Speed Formula

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/usespedfom.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/usespedfom2.jpg

At this rate each minute could be a day and a hour could be like a year. Time is stopped all around him

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/mindau.jpg

Wally and Max Mercury talk while everything around them appears to be frozen, Max can’t maintain this sort of speed for long but Wally seems to be doing it without any trouble

Seeing as we know how fast Flash is, a simple speed steal from the guys and he would win this handidly. Here are just a few examples:

Steals speed from a large man jumping straight at him:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/stealtrain.jpg

Has stolen speed from an entire planet (twice, but Ill show the easier one panel planet feat rather than him defeating instantatnous teleportation):
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/kinteplanet.jpg

The other planet wide speed stealing feat but Im focusing on the speedsters that he absorbed kinetic energy from - all who have done near or faster than light speeds:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/specosmicsteal13.jpg

So he can steal from moving objects (duh. Speed steal and all), extremely fast people (all the flash people and Superman), and has an extremely large range.

I'm thinking he can shift into time stop, say the formula, all while stealing speed to become even faster. Then he just runs right through the houses.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Blair Wind
However, Wally does not need to run or accerlate to achieve speed results.

👆 Here's additional proof of that:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9438/ninjasp.jpg

"I kicked into hyperspeed automatically!"

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Yes yes we all know Flash is fast, and bullets being fired at him look God Awful slow as if time suddenly stopped. This is no different to Leo, after he lectures Seiya that his attacks despite being mach 5 are pitifully slow thanks the Gold Saints speed.

The point is you have a character blissfully faster, and unlike the Flash who’s chance at winning relies on stealing speed. Mu could end him let it be with pisonic, or various cosmos attacks. Its bad enough that psi characters alone give Flash trouble, now factor in Cosmic Powered Speedsters, and I will hand you another death for the White Lantern to revive.

Bentley Seitei

Won't help a bit if he is put down before he can react. Easily done with Flash's superior speed.

Also, maybe I misread the scans you posted but it seemed that the character going faster than light was Aioria. A feat actually done by Mu would be better.

(I don't think anyone argues about Flash being overall superior to the saints, just the fact he clears this challenge as its stated by the rules)

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Bentley
Won't help a bit if he is put down before he can react. Easily done with Flash's superior speed.
Also, maybe I misread the scans you posted but it seemed that the character going faster than light was Aioria. A feat actually done by Mu would be better.

*ignores

Originally posted by Bentley

(I don't think anyone argues about Flash being overall superior to the saints, just the fact he clears this challenge as its stated by the rules)

Flash is going to have to be superior, if he wants to make past the first house protected by Mu. You cant clear the challenge, if you cant make it passed Mu now can you?

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Leo lectures on how all Gold Saints can move at the speed of light.
YouTube video

Leo again lectures that a Gold Saint can surpass the speed of light.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5928/010430.jpg

Leo attempts to cheap shot Mu. Thanks to Mu’s reaction time, he gets out of harms way. Leo finds himself completely astounded by Mu’s speed, teleporting, and psionic abilities. Leo is instantly submitted due to Mu’s combined abilities.
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http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9972/ssegv03ch10018019.png
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Mu calmly tags, and kills two Gold Saints, in the middle of the Golds Saints attack.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5572/saint110086.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/626/saint110087.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8492/saint110088.jpg

Mu tags a teleporting Spectre.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3351/2080g.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1329/2081u.jpg

But if the fact that he is a Gold Saint and a Wilder of the 7th does not convince you that Mu fights at the speed of light. Nor that he is casually tagging light speedsters. Here Mu states he is fighting at c.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6833/2078.jpg

The Gold Armors grants its master its abilities. For those who don’t know, the Gold Armors instantly traveled through the “Super Dimension” covering; billions of Galaxies, and trillions of Dark Sports all to reach the Saints in its destination (Elysium). Silver Surfer eat your heart out.
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6763/2723.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5775/saint150133.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6988/saint150134.jpg
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6254/saint150140.jpg
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Bentley Seitei

Mu fighting at C is fine and dandy, I already explained that Wally will be moving more than 1000 times faster than that, you haven't shown any proof that puts Mu in those reaction times -actually, in your scan of the Ares saga he seems troubled by the speed of the butterflies while using his light-speed attack, he acts as if it was his fastest.

Again, if Mu can't react, what is he going to do? 😬

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Bentley
Mu fighting at C is fine and dandy, I already explained that Wally will be moving more than 1000 times faster than that, you haven't shown any proof that puts Mu in those reaction times -actually, in your scan of the Ares saga he seems troubled by the speed of the butterflies while using his light-speed attack, he acts as if it was his fastest.
Again, if Mu can't react, what is he going to do? 😬

Right that had to be Mu’s limit. Its not like we don’t have instances where he clearly outpaced light speed attacks, or the fact that Mu tags a teleporting Papillion & butterflies,

Look that picoseconds scene is contradicting in itself. You cant fit a billionth of a second, in a picosecond timeframe. If you want to ride on the 1,000 time c claim be my guest. But we have a word for claims that contradict themselves in such a manner, its called hyperbole. And really it does not matter, considering Mu has out reacted teleportation, and counting on the armors ability to aid him.

I suggest you think up a more well rounded character, and relay less on one trick pony’s regardless of how broken he is. Let me put it to you this way, even speed theft can not guarantee the victory. Such attacks can be reflected with crystal wall. Or the fact that his psi, and cosmo attacks are thought based.

Meaning Mu thinks;
Flash slams himself into the Crystal Wall.
Flash is frozen dead in its tracks by his TK.
Flash is frozen by Crystal Net.
Flash is BFR’ed to any location of Mu liking
Flash is consumed by Starlight Extinction.
Flash is destroyed by Stardust Revolution.

Bentley Seitei

Sure, it could be hyperbole. Just say this with me:

"If it's not, Mu loses"

Go ahead, its a short sentence.

...Now seriously, Mu cannot mount a crystal wall if he cannot react to his opponent, this is what we call speedblitz is an easy concept, if you can't accept its part of the fight then you have no business making a fight with above-c speed characters.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I'm thinking he can shift into time stop, say the formula, all while stealing speed to become even faster. Then he just runs right through the houses. [/B]

If he attempts a 12 house blitz, he would be ultimately stopped by either Shaka or Saga. Upon entering the Gemini or Virgo house, they would have him running in circles, and left for easy pickings.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by "Id"
If he attempts a 12 house blitz, he would be ultimately stopped by either Shaka or Saga. Upon entering the Gemini or Virgo house, they would have him running in circles, and left for easy pickings.

They can't react, not even Shaka with the 8th sense.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Bentley
Sure, it could be hyperbole. Just say this with me:
"If it's not, Mu loses"
Go ahead, its a short sentence.
...Now seriously, Mu cannot mount a crystal wall if he cannot react to his opponent, this is what we call [b]speedblitz is an easy concept, if you can't accept its part of the fight then you have no business making a fight with above-c speed characters. [/B]

*ignores cycle of redundancy

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Bentley
They can't react, not even Shaka with the 8th sense.

It has nothing to do with the 8th sense, the house is spellbound by the Saints illusion. Unless Flash has a way to dispel it, he will remain spellbound running in circles.

Bentley Seitei

No one can argue with your superior debating skills, good game, you win.

Blair Wind The Iron Avenger

Leach. He does not affect just mutants.

Reflecto from LSH. All powers directed at him (including Psi powers) bounce off him and hit the original attackers.

Martian Manhunter. Phased the entire time, since all his mass is shifted to another dimension.

Aquarian. Nulls all energy/powers.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Leach. He does not affect just mutants.
Reflecto from LSH. All powers directed at him (including Psi powers) bounce off him and hit the original attackers.
Martian Manhunter. Phased the entire time, since all his mass is shifted to another dimension.
Aquarian. Nulls all energy/powers.

You know leach is not surviving the first nano second of this match. I donâ€™t know much about Aquarian, or Reflecto. But I doubt Mu would be troubled by Martians phasing ability.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Found this image. 😮

galactusischere Apocalypse..begins!

Saint Seiya characters are sky-father level. No herald can defeat them.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by galactusischere
Saint Seiya characters are sky-father level. No herald can defeat them.

I would put them on trascendant level tops, and not all of them.

Id here though just doesn't want them to loss, its like discussing with Quan.