Originally posted by LLLLLink
If you have ever been in a fight, you would know that even being 1% faster is the difference between landing a hit and getting hit. That's not even factoring in the skill difference between Nidoking and Tyranitar.
This is some bullshit. How the hell would a 1% difference in speed even be measured?
Speed is absolutely useless when its a slow guy vs a slightly slower guy, and that slightly slower guy has every single other advantage. Strength especially by millions of times. I see guys who run faster lose all the time.
Nidoking is not some skilled monster either, despite your deceptive descriptions. He's slow and he's outreached by a lot. That makes up for the complete non-factor of a speed advantage anyway. Nidoking gets one-shotted.
Lol. Rock Polish actually happens pretty fast. And if Nidoking could run circles around Tyranitar by being only slightly faster, imagine what Tyranitar would do when given a +2 Boost.
Or to get the same effect he could use Scary Face. All he's doing is looking normal, so Nidoking shits bricks and moves a lot slower.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
This is some bullshit. How the hell would a 1% difference in speed even be measured?Speed is absolutely useless when its a slow guy vs a slightly slower guy, and that slightly slower guy has every single other advantage. Strength especially by millions of times. I see guys who run faster lose all the time.
Nidoking is not some skilled monster either, despite your deceptive descriptions. He's slow and he's outreached by a lot. That makes up for the complete non-factor of a speed advantage anyway. Nidoking gets one-shotted.
Good Lord, I had no idea that you guys were so.... inexperienced.
Phrases like" slow guy vs a slightly slower guy" is a sad attampt to downplay an advantage. If one is faster, he has the speed advantage. Period. Couple this with the fact that Nidoking actually knows how to fight well at close range, and he is going to beat Tyranitar to the punch every time.
You are arguing with the pokedex when you say that Nidoking isn't skilled, and you are wrong. You see fast guys lose all the time? I guess that they were the lesser in terms of skill, huh? Good thing that Nidoking has both the skill and speed advantage. Tyranitar gets one-shotted.
Also, Double Team. Your argument is invalid.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Good Lord, I had no idea that you guys were so.... inexperienced.Phrases like" slow guy vs a slightly slower guy" is a sad attampt to downplay an advantage. If one is faster, he has the speed advantage. Period. Couple this with the fact that Nidoking actually knows how to fight well at close range, and he is going to beat Tyranitar to the punch every time.
You are arguing with the pokedex when you say that Nidoking isn't skilled, and you are wrong. You see fast guys lose all the time? I guess that they were the lesser in terms of skill, huh? Good thing that Nidoking has both the skill and speed advantage. Tyranitar gets one-shotted.
Also, Double Team. Your argument is invalid.
It's not downplaying when its a complete non-factor to begin with. Nidoking will not be dodging anything whatsoever. He's slow, and he can't get behind Tyranitar because all Ty has to do is turn in place, which is easy. And because Tyranitar is so much larger in stature (and STILL 80% as fast), getting behind him is going to be even harder because Nidoking has to travel a greater distance to get behind him.
What demonstration of 'skill' doesn't Nidoking have at all to give you so much confidence in him? He doesn't even have any good power showings to put him at one-shotting levels against a semi-legendary like Tyranitar either.
Slow ass, small Nidoking will throw his blow first, Tyranitar's will follow a little after but still hit first because of his reach advantage is far bigger than the speed advantage. Seriously, we are talking about a 4 foot something creature against a 6'7" creature. Nidoking gets BFR'd and killed at the same time.
Lol @ the insinuation that Nidoking is going to blitz Tyranitar, that's just laughable.
Show me an instance where the duplicates of Double Team mimc attacks.
It may actually exist, but I've never seen it.
Sandstorm is also an attack that Tyranitar can use. If I recall its a twister of sand in the anime. Could also use something that doesn't miss, like Shock Wave, or use Double Team himself. Strangely, Aerial Ace is an option. Iron Defense, Dragon Dance, Outrage.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's not downplaying when its a complete non-factor to begin with. Nidoking will not be dodging anything whatsoever. He's slow, and he can't get behind Tyranitar because all Ty has to do is turn in place, which is easy. And because Tyranitar is so much larger in stature (and STILL 80% as fast), getting behind him is going to be even harder because Nidoking has to travel a greater distance to get behind him.What demonstration of 'skill' doesn't Nidoking have at all to give you so much confidence in him? He doesn't even have any good power showings to put him at one-shotting levels against a semi-legendary like Tyranitar either.
Slow ass, small Nidoking will throw his blow first, Tyranitar's will follow a little after but still hit first because of his reach advantage is far bigger than the speed advantage. Seriously, we are talking about a 4 foot something creature against a 6'7" creature. Nidoking gets BFR'd and killed at the same time.
Lol @ the insinuation that Nidoking is going to blitz Tyranitar, that's just laughable.
1. Your are making the assumption that Nidoking can't fight Tyranitar because Ty is a psuedo-legendary (which isn't even a term used in the games).
2. You are allowing your fallacious perception that "bigger = more durable/stronger/is too big to be hit" mindset to delude you of the fact that Ty has nothing in the way of close combat feats or the fact that Nidonking's skill nulls Ty's reach, and his speed means that Nidoking will get the first attack in, which is a death-dealing Horn Drill.
Stop spouting such nonsense, please.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
1. Your are making the assumption that Nidoking can't fight Tyranitar because Ty is a psuedo-legendary (which isn't even a term used in the games).2. You are allowing your fallacious perception that "bigger = more durable/stronger/is too big to be hit" mindset to delude you of the fact that Ty has nothing in the way of close combat feats or the fact that Nidonking's skill nulls Ty's reach, and his speed means that Nidoking will get the first attack in, which is a death-dealing Horn Drill.
Stop spouting such nonsense, please.
1. He's a pseudo-legendary because of his feats, Which is millions of times above what Nidoking is capable of. Its not an empty title to bestow upon him.
2. There is no delusion anywhere. Tyranitar's dimensions aren't why he has all the advantage of durability and strength. His feats are. Again, Newton's third law, if Tyranitar can flatten mountains with a hand, then that's durability feat as well, putting him above trillions of tons of rock in durability. Once more, what feats of skill does Nidoking have at all? He's not going to be doing some flash ninja flipsu shit or anything like that. No deft dodging skills, no teleportation, or anything like that.
His horn isn't going to go through Tyranitar easily if at all, and then if he doesn't hit a vital organ if he DOES get through, then his fate is sealed. He'll be vulnerable because his horn will still be in Tyranitar, and and he will one-punched into jelly. He'll die first and thus Tyranitar will still get the victory.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
His horn isn't going to go through Tyranitar easily if at all, and then if he doesn't hit a vital organ if he DOES get through, then his fate is sealed. He'll be vulnerable because his horn will still be in Tyranitar, and and he will one-punched into jelly. He'll die first and thus Tyranitar will still get the victory.
Now this is utter garbage. Nidoking's horns can puncture through diamonds. Tyranitar's hide is not shown to be anywhere near that level of durability.
Also, Ty isn't going to get an attack off first, no matter what you might imagine, so quit acting like Ty starts an attack first and Nidoking runs into it, okay?
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/damage.php
Use this and calculate the matchup for yourselves. Ty gets one-shotted by Superpower every time.
Now this is utter garbage. Nidoking's horns can puncture through diamonds. Tyranitar's hide is not shown to be anywhere near that level of durability.Kindly explain to me how you can flatten a mountain with something the size of Tyranitars arm and it not be stronger than diamond? Good game, sir.
Also, his body apparently cannot be harmed at all, many pokemon are said to be harder than diamonds, but not that they cannot be harmed at all. Tyranitar's dex just flat out calls him invulnerable.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kindly explain to me how you can flatten a mountain with something the size of Tyranitars arm and it not be stronger than diamond? Good game, sir.Also, his body apparently cannot be harmed at all, many pokemon are said to be harder than diamonds, but not that they cannot be harmed at all. Tyranitar's dex just flat out calls him invulnerable.
If Tyranitar's arm was harder than what the mountain was made of (we'll say dirt in this example), when he brings it down to strike the mountain it would cut right through the ground just like any other object would. The only logical way he could efficiently bring down a mountain like that in one strike is with an Earthquake from his arm, which is what I think that the pokedex means.
If the mountain is made of rock, however, it could function the same as a sledgehammer on a boulder, just to a much greater scale.
Neither circumstance shows any evidence where a hide harder than diamond is needed. Also, Moo is right. We had to stop with that particular pokedex entry. Good game, indeed.