Originally posted by Q99
Sure we do. Malak was a major character in the KotoR comics and was shown to be a pretty skilled Jedi even before he became a Sith.Plus, there is the info from the games themselves. We know he had enough power to maintain the starforge, where even darkside Bastila didn't, for example.
Revan, we know his rough level by comparison to other people, but as he's a main character, the specifics on whether he spams force or was a great duelist or what is purposefully left fuzzy so as to allow players customization room.
Malak, Darth Traya, and others on the other hand we see showing and are not so fuzzy.
Traya killed three Jedi high council masters in the same fight, she's known for wielding three lightsabers at once via TK, and using a whole lot of force abilities (beast control, TK, lightning, foresight, etc.). And she looked up to Revan as the stronger in the force.
Malak, on the other hand, was a more normal Sith beatstick with a few tricks. Lightning and saber were the focus of his skills, but he could also freeze someone with the force. He'd also drain the life from others to replenish his strength. So a fairly dangerous fighter with plenty of raw power, but not with the wide range that Traya has or as high of showings, and of course Revan ultimately stomped him.
but we can't quantify ANY of that.
Originally posted by truejedi
but we can't quantify ANY of that.
Sure we do. Malak was a major character in the KotoR comics and
Yep.
was shown to be a pretty skilled Jedi even before he became a Sith.
What?
Plus, there is the info from the games themselves. We know he had enough power to maintain the starforge, where even darkside Bastila didn't, for example.
Yep.
Malak, Darth Traya, and others on the other hand we see showing and are not so fuzzy.
What?
Traya killed three Jedi high council masters in the same fight, she's known for wielding three lightsabers at once via TK, and using a whole lot of force abilities (beast control, TK, lightning, foresight, etc.). And she looked up to Revan as the stronger in the force.
Yep.
Malak, on the other hand, was a more normal Sith beatstick with a few tricks. Lightning and saber were the focus of his skills
What?
he could also freeze someone with the force. He'd also drain the life from others to replenish his strength.
Yep.
So a fairly dangerous fighter with plenty of raw power
What?
but not with the wide range that Traya has or as high of showings
She believed Revan was stronger in the force, and Revan was beaten by Malak?
😕
Originally posted by Shoes
She believed Revan was stronger in the force, and Revan was beaten by Malak?😕
BTW Revan did cut of Malak's jaw in a lightsaber duel. Malak is also pretty powerful with the force. He has been shown capable of effortlessly killing Jedi, place Bastilla in a stasis, and he forces pushes Rohlan very far in the comics.
Still both are realatively unknows.
Originally posted by ares834
You mean when revan is preparing to battle a group of Jedi and Malak decides to fire on Revan's ship... That's not beating him.
Yea, Revan was always > Malak, Malak just took an opportunity to steal the throne anyway, and for a time it worked.
He thought he could beat the revived Revan... but lost again.
Woah. I was under the impression that Malak assaulted Revan's mind, causing his memory to be lost and his force power to be diminished.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, Revan was always > Malak, Malak just took an opportunity to steal the throne anyway, and for a time it worked.He thought he could beat the revived Revan... but lost again.
Revan > Malak because of storyline. Suppose Revan beat Malak unarmed. After countless hits from Malak's lightning, after countless drains on his life, he still knocks Malak out. This is why any debate involving KotOR will always come back to this: Revan is unkown. Malak is unkown.
Originally posted by Shoes
Woah. I was under the impression that Malak assaulted Revan's mind, causing his memory to be lost and his force power to be diminished.
No, quite different. Due to the attack, he ended up in the custody of the Jedi, who wiped his mind.
Revan > Malak because of storyline.
You have the weirdest arguments.
Anyone > anyone is because of the story line. It is part of a story.
Revan beat Malak when they were both Sith in the past, hence the jaw. Revan beats him again late in the game, no matter the ending (and the lightside ending is canon).
Malak's shown in multiple sources, and the game itself is a source, so no unknowns here.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is one of the least correct things said in any language during the last five minutes
Elaborate? He was in the KotoR comic with Jayne and we saw him in multiple fights in his Jedi days. So that's one source.
And, the game itself is a source. It's sometimes a fuzzy source for aforementioned reason, but stuff from it is hardly *unknown*. NPCs with a fair amount of screen time do have useful information on them.
Originally posted by ares834
Revan is not an unknown... Just ask Legend he'll show you just how powerful Revan is. 😉
Revan and the Exile are both trickier in that they're main characters.
So we have "canon powerful characters with observed badass feats say they're strong, but by nature we'll never find out the details unless a different version of the events is made."
Side-characters though, who follow a set plot? They have consistent portrayals and often have shown up in other stuff in that era.
It is not hard to quantify a character from a video game just because they're from a video game. If they do stuff in cutscenes and have a lot of screen time, that tells us a lot. It's only hard to tell some specific characters because they were not set in stone like the NPCs and other party members.
Originally posted by truejedi We recieved 0 indication that Bastilla had the ability to beat Revan. Their fight was interrupted.
In addition, Jaina was also no match for Darth Caedus. 😉
Originally posted by ares834 When did Malak defeat Revan?
2nd phase of confrontation:
Originally posted by Shoes Woah. I was under the impression that Malak assaulted Revan's mind, causing his memory to be lost and his force power to be diminished.
Malak ordered firing on Revan's position. This happened after Revan cut Malak's jaw in a duel prior to the events of KoTOR. Malak survived and waited for an opportunity to return the favor.
Originally posted by Shoes Revan > Malak because of storyline. Suppose Revan beat Malak unarmed. After countless hits from Malak's lightning, after countless drains on his life, he still knocks Malak out. This is why any debate involving KotOR will always come back to this: Revan is unkown. Malak is unkown.
Malak effortlessly blocks firing of Rohlan Dyre from above. (This scene also reminds me of Mace Windu's confrontation with Jango Fett. 😉 )
This was during his days as a Jedi. He became more powerful after the end of the Mandalorian Wars.
By JCW, his skills had improved to the point that he could handle multiple opponents simultaneously by himself:
Malak's effortlessly kills two Jedi simultaneously at 2:05 - 2:17.
In addition, see his confrontation with Revan and his companions on Leviathan. In a 3 vs 1 match - Malak captured 1 and forced other 2 on retreat.
Malak effortlessly blocks firing of Rohlan Dyre from above. (This scene also reminds me of Mace Windu's confrontation with Jango Fett.
Does this mean that TPM Kenobi is as powerful as Malak?
Malak's effortlessly kills two Jedi simultaneously at 2:05 - 2:17.
Originally posted by Q99
If they do stuff in cutscenes and have a lot of screen time, that tells us a lot.
Does it? I suppose by closely examining each cutscene with Revan, you can determine which lightsaber forms he learned. Or the degree of his force powers.
To begin with, Malak was a highly skilled lightsaber duelist
Elaborate. Did he even achieve mastery?
Were you planning on making an argument Shoes? Because for all the nice words you put up there, you failed to quantify ANYTHING.
No, just typing.
