Hunter Prey Doomsday was significantly above Herald level, an amped Superman (Granted DOS era but still) was on the ropes and Darkseid was soundly beat up. He also was taking down guys like Wonder Woman, Orion, Martian Manhunter etc. in a few hits.
Now while he was crazy impressive, Green Scar could similarly shit on Herald level without having going to World Breaker. Heck, sometimes Pak had his base as beyond Herald level.
He took out Fing Fang Foom with a thunderclap I think (Someone post scans if you have them please) and destroyed a barrier Umar set up. Fing Fang Foom was higher then 17 Hercules in power level and was said to be beyond the capabilities of any superhuman on Earth to beat for some comparison. This was done while he was magnitudes weaker then World Breaker.
It's dumb but there is no way you can read HoTM and not come to the conclusion that Hulk would beat the shit out of Doomsday. And pretty much everyone this side of a Skyfather in close combat.
Originally posted by Stoic
No. Lest we forget the hell that he caused, and went through during the Crossroads, and that was an inferior Hulk.HP Doomsday did nothing to even begin to compare to the weight that WB Hulk was pushing around in the Dark Dimension. DD was impervious to what Superman was trying to do to him, but WB Hulk is far above Superman when it comes to pure strength, and Doomsday did not show any feats that ever came close to WB Hulks strength feats.
Zeus would absolutely own Darkseid, just like Superman did, except that it would be far worse. Darkseid himself once said that Superman was a peer. Zeus is much further above Superman that it's ridiculous.
Disagree on WBH strength being above Superman's.
This shouldn't even be a debate. All pro WBH arguments are pointless. Why do I feel this way? Simply because H/P Doomsday was already beaten to death. He can't be beaten to death ever again if you go by the comics. So what exactly is WBH (no matter how powerful he gets) going to do here?
Some may argue he'll rip DD in half, DD has been killed numerous times since his creation. I recall him being shredded/ripped apart in the H/P comic when showing his early history. So again what exactly is WBH going to do here? Hulk's fighting style is punch, punch, and punch so more.
Doomsday's strength would rival WBH. His speed is superior, he heals instantly and adapts to.
H/P Doomsday wins this.
Originally posted by RedwolfProve he is immune to physical force.
This shouldn't even be a debate. All pro WBH arguments are pointless. Why do I feel this way? Simply because H/P Doomsday was already beaten to death. He can't be beaten to death ever again if you go by the comics. So what exactly is WBH (no matter how powerful he gets) going to do here?Some may argue he'll rip DD in half, DD has been killed numerous times since his creation. I recall him being shredded/ripped apart in the H/P comic when showing his early history. So again what exactly is WBH going to do here? Hulk's fighting style is punch, punch, and punch so more.
Doomsday's strength would rival WBH. His speed is superior, he heals instantly and adapts to.
H/P Doomsday wins this.
Originally posted by Redwolf
This shouldn't even be a debate. All pro WBH arguments are pointless. Why do I feel this way? Simply because H/P Doomsday was already beaten to death. He can't be beaten to death ever again if you go by the comics. So what exactly is WBH (no matter how powerful he gets) going to do here?Some may argue he'll rip DD in half, DD has been killed numerous times since his creation. I recall him being shredded/ripped apart in the H/P comic when showing his early history. So again what exactly is WBH going to do here? Hulk's fighting style is punch, punch, and punch so more.
Doomsday's strength would rival WBH. His speed is superior, he heals instantly and adapts to.
H/P Doomsday wins this.
Doomsday's never evolved beyond raw physical might. His tolerance for it goes up, sure, but become immune to it? You may as well apply a no limits fallacy on him. And Doomsday's fighting a guy who's main power is amping strength (and durability and healing and pretty much all other physical attributes), so I'm not sure how this is a complete wash for Doomsday.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIf he can't back his claim then he has to concede.
Doomsday's never evolved beyond raw physical might. His tolerance for it goes up, sure, but become immune to it? You may as well apply a no limits fallacy on him. And Doomsday's fighting a guy who's main power is amping strength (and durability and healing and pretty much all other physical attributes), so I'm not sure how this is a complete wash for Doomsday.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What is this based on ?
Superman's high end strength feats for one. The argument he holds back his true potential secondly. Which then goes back to his high end strength feats. They're not even what he's truly capable of. That and Superman has no limits to his power level, solar absorption.
If he feels he's being over matched/losing his indombitable will pushes him past his "governor."
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hunter Prey Doomsday was significantly above Herald level, an amped Superman (Granted DOS era but still) was on the ropes and Darkseid was soundly beat up. He also was taking down guys like Wonder Woman, Orion, Martian Manhunter etc. in a few hits.Now while he was crazy impressive, Green Scar could similarly shit on Herald level without having going to World Breaker. Heck, sometimes Pak had his base as beyond Herald level.
He took out Fing Fang Foom with a thunderclap I think (Someone post scans if you have them please) and destroyed a barrier Umar set up. Fing Fang Foom was higher then 17 Hercules in power level and was said to be beyond the capabilities of any superhuman on Earth to beat for some comparison. This was done while he was magnitudes weaker then World Breaker.
It's dumb but there is no way you can read HoTM and not come to the conclusion that Hulk would beat the shit out of Doomsday. And pretty much everyone this side of a Skyfather in close combat.
It was actually WBH on steroids when he defeated FFF. FFF had shot him up with gamma radiation increasing WBH in size that he was able to step on FFF while on earth. Impressive feat, could have been accomplished unaided too. But WBH wasn't weaker at that point.
Originally posted by Diesldude
It was actually WBH on steroids when he defeated FFF. FFF had shot him up with gamma radiation increasing WBH in size that he was able to step on FFF while on earth. Impressive feat, could have been accomplished unaided too. But WBH wasn't weaker at that point.
No, I'm talking about before in the Dark Dimension.
He thunder-clapped Fing Fang Foom IIRC into Umar's barrier. At that point, he did casually as Green Scar.
Near the end there, Hulk's walking around strength was far beyond Herald level.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doomsday's never evolved beyond raw physical might. His tolerance for it goes up, sure, but become immune to it? You may as well apply a no limits fallacy on him. And Doomsday's fighting a guy who's main power is amping strength (and durability and healing and pretty much all other physical attributes), so I'm not sure how this is a complete wash for Doomsday.
DD is resistant to whatever killed him before. He adapts an immunity to whatever harmed/killed him before.
He's already been beaten to death by a single combatant which was Superman. Therefore no matter how strong Hulk gets, no matter how hard he punches DD shouldn't be defeated here. Superman shouldn't be able to beat him to death either.
Any stats I've read on the character in the comics or internet show this.