Originally posted by RedwolfSo, you're of the opinion that Galactus couldn't beat DD to death because Superman once did?
DD is resistant to whatever killed him before. He adapts an immunity to whatever harmed/killed him before.He's already been beaten to death by a single combatant which was Superman. Therefore no matter how strong Hulk gets, no matter how hard he punches DD shouldn't be defeated here. Superman shouldn't be able to beat him to death either.
Any stats I've read on the character in the comics or internet show this.
Originally posted by Redwolf
DD is resistant to whatever killed him before. He adapts an immunity to whatever harmed/killed him before.He's already been beaten to death by a single combatant which was Superman. Therefore no matter how strong Hulk gets, no matter how hard he punches DD shouldn't be defeated here. Superman shouldn't be able to beat him to death either.
Any stats I've read on the character in the comics or internet show this.
Except he's never evolved beyond physical force. Ever. He's grown resistant to it, but he's never evolved to classic Juggernaut level durability or anything like that. So I'm not sure why you think Hulk at this level, in which he vaporizes guys at the very least are roughly equal to Savage Hulk in level (who by all rights is a beast at his best) would be incapable of hurting Doomsday.
Thing is, I'd give an all out, no holding back Superman the edge over Doomsday, anyway, especially since he's not afraid of him anymore. Sure, Doomsday's got better since DoS. So has Superman.
I would hope your reading would also include Heart of the Monster/Worldbreaker Hulk and not just "the internet".
Originally posted by RedwolfYes, he does. He does not have dynamic strength Thats Hulks thing. We've seen an all out Superman hit Wonderwoman.
Superman's high end strength feats for one. The argument he holds back his true potential secondly. Which then goes back to his high end strength feats. They're not even what he's truly capable of. That and Superman has no limits to his power level, solar absorption.If he feels he's being over matched/losing his indombitable will pushes him past his "governor."
Wrong, he frequently has help ala in the JLA. The guy gets beat all the time and needs outside help to prevail like all heroes. Like all heroes he holds back.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hunter Prey Doomsday was significantly above Herald level, an amped Superman (Granted DOS era but still) was on the ropes and Darkseid was soundly beat up. He also was taking down guys like Wonder Woman, Orion, Martian Manhunter etc. in a few hits.Now while he was crazy impressive, Green Scar could similarly shit on Herald level without having going to World Breaker. Heck, sometimes Pak had his base as beyond Herald level.
He took out Fing Fang Foom with a thunderclap I think (Someone post scans if you have them please) and destroyed a barrier Umar set up. Fing Fang Foom was higher then 17 Hercules in power level and was said to be beyond the capabilities of any superhuman on Earth to beat for some comparison. This was done while he was magnitudes weaker then World Breaker.
It's dumb but there is no way you can read HoTM and not come to the conclusion that Hulk would beat the shit out of Doomsday. And pretty much everyone this side of a Skyfather in close combat.
It usually takes a team to take on the Mindless ones. WWH takes on the entire race with one hand...literally over powers them.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319253/Incredible_Hulks_633_012-13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8319255/Incredible_Hulks_633_014.jpg.html
Lets not forget that it was stated that Umar herself couldn't handle the Mindless Ones.
He wasn't even WBH levels when he was withstanding attacks from Savage Hulk peers.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk4.jpg
He went World Breaker here.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk6.jpg
And here is your scan Rage...Takes out fing fang and her barrier with a thunder clap.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/WWHThunderclap07634_zpsf92585d9.jpg.html
All of this wasn't directed at your rage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hunter Prey Doomsday was significantly above Herald level, an amped Superman (Granted DOS era but still) was on the ropes and Darkseid was soundly beat up. He also was taking down guys like Wonder Woman, Orion, Martian Manhunter etc. in a few hits.Now while he was crazy impressive, Green Scar could similarly shit on Herald level without having going to World Breaker. Heck, sometimes Pak had his base as beyond Herald level.
He took out Fing Fang Foom with a thunderclap I think (Someone post scans if you have them please) and destroyed a barrier Umar set up. Fing Fang Foom was higher then 17 Hercules in power level and was said to be beyond the capabilities of any superhuman on Earth to beat for some comparison. This was done while he was magnitudes weaker then World Breaker.
It's dumb but there is no way you can read HoTM and not come to the conclusion that Hulk would beat the shit out of Doomsday. And pretty much everyone this side of a Skyfather in close combat.
Seriously This. After the end of the WWH arc itself Pak started having even just regular greenscar get pretty absurd in powerlevels. He koed a Rulk that had just amped tremendously off Hulks own energy with a mere thunderclap (as well as totally no sold him), he tanked 127 hercs of force to the innards no problems, he trounced two savage hulk level foes with their power multiplied x1000, Easily walked through attacks from an Armcheddon (who in the past has easily put down Professor Hulk)amping off Hulks own energy (And Hulks energy reserves under Pak were insane, enough transform dozens of heroes into versions of Hulk) etc.
That stuff was all pre WorldBreaker who was orders of magnitude more powerful than regular greenscar even at those levels. By the time we start talking WorldBreaker, we are getting into vaporizing multiple top tiers and the race of mindless ones who were explicitly indiciated as being too powerful in conjunction, for Umar (a skyfather level character) in her own realm to even survive......with the residual shockwaves of a mid air collision miles away. Not to mention that Hulk was at the epicenter of this collision and thus experiencing astronomically force than that which performed these insane fests and came out unscathed.
The result of this match is quite clear.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Seriously This. After the end of the WWH arc itself Pak started having even just regular greenscar get pretty absurd in powerlevels. He koed a Rulk that had just amped tremendously off Hulks own energy with a mere thunderclap (as well as totally no sold him), he tanked 127 hercs of force to the innards no problems, he trounced two savage hulk level foes with their power multiplied x1000, Easily walked through attacks from an Armcheddon (who in the past has easily put down Professor Hulk)amping off Hulks own energy (And Hulks energy reserves under Pak were insane, enough transform dozens of heroes into versions of Hulk) etc.That stuff was all pre WorldBreaker who was orders of magnitude more powerful than regular greenscar even at those levels. The result of this match is quite clear.
Wow...I didn't even think about this stuff.
Originally posted by Redwolf
This shouldn't even be a debate. All pro WBH arguments are pointless. Why do I feel this way? Simply because H/P Doomsday was already beaten to death. He can't be beaten to death ever again if you go by the comics. So what exactly is WBH (no matter how powerful he gets) going to do here?Some may argue he'll rip DD in half, DD has been killed numerous times since his creation. I recall him being shredded/ripped apart in the H/P comic when showing his early history. So again what exactly is WBH going to do here? Hulk's fighting style is punch, punch, and punch so more.
Doomsday's strength would rival WBH. His speed is superior, he heals instantly and adapts to.
H/P Doomsday wins this.
No limits fallacy sited.
Been done before: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559859&pagenumber=1
And Worldbreaker still wins.
Originally posted by ODG
^ That was Savage Hulk who held Sakaar together.That wasn't even WWH who harnessed his rage over Caiera's death and Sakaar's destruction.
And that wasn't even Worldbreaker Hulk who finally stopped holding back his full power.
I feel like people forget this.
Sorry ODG, but it wasn't Savage Hulk, Savage Hulk is the infantile persona of the Hulk. That was the Green King, the World Breaker, the HP Doomsday wrecker. Trust me I have the entire arc. The Hulk that walked Sakaar was the same persona that went back to Earth, and beat Sentry out of Bob.
Doomsday has no chance here.
Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry ODG, but it wasn't Savage Hulk, Savage Hulk is the infantile persona of the Hulk. That was the Green King, the World Breaker, the HP Doomsday wrecker. Trust me I have the entire arc. The Hulk that walked Sakaar was the same persona that went back to Earth, and beat Sentry out of Bob.Doomsday has no chance here.
It was Savage.
Originally posted by StoicThe childlike persona is one of many for Savage Hulk. The Hulk in Planet Hulk did not become World War Hulk until Caiera's death, which happened at the tail-end of the arc right before he left for Earth. It was that specific rage over the loss of his wife, unborn child and new kingdom that fueled his increased power.
Sorry ODG, but it wasn't Savage Hulk, Savage Hulk is the infantile persona of the Hulk. That was the Green King, the World Breaker, the HP Doomsday wrecker. Trust me I have the entire arc. The Hulk that walked Sakaar was the same persona that went back to Earth, and beat Sentry out of Bob.Doomsday has no chance here.
Hulk didn't get an amp just by hanging out on Sakaar and fighting together with the Warbound. The opposite, really.
