Oblivion vs Mad Jim Jaspers

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thanos never destroyed the omniverse.

he didnt?

Originally posted by 753
he didnt?
No.He destroyed a universe.A single universe.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.He destroyed a universe.A single universe.

marvel the end? even if no other reality is mentioned, if he absorbed the LT, he absorbed the omniverse.

Originally posted by 753
marvel the end? even if no other reality is mentioned, if he absorbed the LT, he absorbed the omniverse.
LT is not omniversal...
and another reality is mentioned.Atleza's reality and deaths reality.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
LT is not omniversal...
and another reality is mentioned.Atleza's reality and deaths reality.

LT is very much so omniversal.

There was nothing left after Thanos assimilated it all into him and I met there were no universes parallel to the 616 mentioned in the storyline, it is still safe to assume thanos did not stop at the 616. Writers simply used characters everyone would know for those scenes.

Originally posted by 753
LT is very much so omniversal.

There was nothing left after Thanos assimilated it all into him and I met there were no universes parallel to the 616 mentioned in the storyline, it is still safe to assume thanos did not stop at the 616. Writers simply used characters everyone would know for those scenes.

Where was it stated LT was Omniversal.I guess he would be multiversal at best.
Thanos absorbed 1,and only 1,universe.Just because no other universes were mentioned doesn't mean there weren't other ones.Exactly how is it safe to assume he didn't stop at 616?

also i think that if you destroy the 616 universe all other universes would start collaps anyway

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
also i think that if you destroy the 616 universe all other universes would start collaps anyway
Exactly how does that make sense?Universes are constantly being collasped and created.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Where was it stated LT was Omniversal.I guess he would be multiversal at best.
Thanos absorbed 1,and only 1,universe.Just because no other universes were mentioned doesn't mean there weren't other ones.Exactly how is it safe to assume he didn't stop at 616?

It's not safe to assume he stopped at the 616, quite the contrary it is certain that he went beyond the 616 and assimilated [bold] all of the universes, colectivelly also known as the omniverse[/bold], which what I said from the beggining.

LT is omniversal, he is all cosmic struggling opposites and the outcome of their struggle. He is the top dog among all the abstracts. What reality do you suppose is beyond LT or devoid of his presence?

LT held megaverses.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Exactly how does that make sense?Universes are constantly being collasped and created.
i it all started with 1 universe. the 616 universe, all the alternate realities were spawned from the 616 universe.
destroy the prime universe and all other would collaps

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Where was it stated LT was Omniversal.I guess he would be multiversal at best.
Thanos absorbed 1,and only 1,universe.Just because no other universes were mentioned doesn't mean there weren't other ones.Exactly how is it safe to assume he didn't stop at 616?
you can destroy a single universe with far less than the hotu. galactus himself can destroy 10universes on his own power.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

destroy the prime universe and all other would collaps
Where are you getting this from?

Oblivion is the source of the Ultimate Nullifier's power, not to mention that his essence is Jaspers one weakness. I'm going with O.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i it all started with 1 universe. the 616 universe, all the alternate realities were spawned from the 616 universe.
destroy the prime universe and all other would collaps

I don't think the 616 is a prime universe though, and it didnt spawn the others either. The very point of it being called 616 is that it's just a random number, nothing special about it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Where are you getting this from?

Uranus?

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What source material did you think he used to construct that argument?

.... There are issues that refer to 616 as the prime universe ad that it's destruction can will destroy all others

to understand marvel the end you have to have read the prior abyss storyline. In abyss our 616 universe is swirling into the void. Warlock stays there to help atleza learn he duties... in marvel the end warlock appears after the mtire universe is destroyed... What is significant is that the 616 universe when destroyed warlock entered the university to discuss the conditions with thanos... If everything in the multiverse or megaverse was truly destroyed... Atleza's realm where she watches over 616 would be gone as well as warlock...

To flip th argument about why thoti is toaas power. It defeated living tribunal with ease.. And that was when thanos had an outburst...

Now there are various other stories like the nexus of reality which exists in manthings swamp... But also in the mkrann crystal. And one more I forget off the top...

Of course during Nate greys area he shows us that qabiri is destroying various earths... And that our earth technically is no longer earth 616 but earth 612 due to the various destructions...

Oblivion states he predate stuff but he also tells us he is the brother to death one secod the father the next... He is supposedly so powerful but infinity has stated a contest between them is a stalemate.. Ye infinity/eternity can be waylaid by cosmic cubes or the ig or the in or dormammu...

He tells us that he represents all that existed even before our universe.. But why believe his word at all... You can represent all that came before nothingness and still not have been the original being of it... Check out the unbeing, anomoly, maelstrom... The unilord was the alpha and the omega of his universe and surfer using a blackbody took that from him...

And for all his poweR even oblivion feared a man called edifice Rex...
and was beaten by iceman...

and or mad Jim jaspars
I think it was 238? Not the 616 one...

But he created the fury an the whole universe was destroyed by te celestial nullifier... The fury did not die...

616 mjj is supposedly more powerful than 238 and was defeated by transporting him to the nullified universe... Since there was nothing o warp/manipulate... Mjj became powerless...

Later 616 mjj merged with the 238 fury...
Making him virtually indestrucible on top of his reality warping powers

theoretically oblivion could remove the space that mjj needs to affect reality... But the mjj would ne'er be able to harm oblivion

also since mjj is merged with a creature that has survives universal nullification already... It is likely oblivion can't put down mjj

stalemate