Oblivion vs Mad Jim Jaspers

Originally posted by 753
It's not safe to assume he stopped at the 616, quite the contrary it is certain that he went beyond the 616 and assimilated [bold] all of the universes, colectivelly also known as the omniverse[/bold], which what I said from the beggining.

LT is omniversal, he is all cosmic struggling opposites and the outcome of their struggle. He is the top dog among all the abstracts. What reality do you suppose is beyond LT or devoid of his presence?

Originally posted by Mindset
LT held megaverses.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i it all started with 1 universe. the 616 universe, all the alternate realities were spawned from the 616 universe.
destroy the prime universe and all other would collaps

Originally posted by Astner
Oblivion is the source of the Ultimate Nullifier's power, not to mention that his essence is Jaspers one weakness. I'm going with O.

Originally posted by 753
I don't think the 616 is a prime universe though, and it didnt spawn the others either. The very point of it being called 616 is that it's just a random number, nothing special about it.

Originally posted by rotiart
.... There are issues that refer to 616 as the prime universe ad that it's destruction can will destroy all others

to understand marvel the end you have to have read the prior abyss storyline. In abyss our 616 universe is swirling into the void. Warlock stays there to help atleza learn he duties... in marvel the end warlock appears after the mtire universe is destroyed... What is significant is that the 616 universe when destroyed warlock entered the university to discuss the conditions with thanos... If everything in the multiverse or megaverse was truly destroyed... Atleza's realm where she watches over 616 would be gone as well as warlock...

To flip th argument about why thoti is toaas power. It defeated living tribunal with ease.. And that was when thanos had an outburst...

Now there are various other stories like the nexus of reality which exists in manthings swamp... But also in the mkrann crystal. And one more I forget off the top...

Of course during Nate greys area he shows us that qabiri is destroying various earths... And that our earth technically is no longer earth 616 but earth 612 due to the various destructions...

Oblivion states he predate stuff but he also tells us he is the brother to death one secod the father the next... He is supposedly so powerful but infinity has stated a contest between them is a stalemate.. Ye infinity/eternity can be waylaid by cosmic cubes or the ig or the in or dormammu...

He tells us that he represents all that existed even before our universe.. But why believe his word at all... You can represent all that came before nothingness and still not have been the original being of it... Check out the unbeing, anomoly, maelstrom... The unilord was the alpha and the omega of his universe and surfer using a blackbody took that from him...

And for all his poweR even oblivion feared a man called edifice Rex...
and was beaten by iceman...

Look at his respect thread.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Scans that he is omniv ersal.

Where exactly did you come upon this information?

Originally posted by galactusischere
LT is beyond omniversal. There is no proof of that required.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes there is.But in another thread it was proved to be he exists similtanueously in all multiverses.

No. Yes.

If you question the LT's powa, you will surely face the wrath of Mr Master when he sees this.

Originally posted by galactusischere
No. Yes.

If you question the LT's powa, you will surely face the wrath of Mr Master when he sees this.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Scans that he is omniv ersal.
Scans please. Where exactly did you come upon this information? No it is not.It is not known where the UN is from.My best quess would be a combined effort of oblivion and galactus.Galactus controls it and those nullified go to oblivions realm. Exactly Exactly.Had thanos absorbed the omniverse Atleza,warlock,gamora, and death all would have been gone.
Were you tutored my mister masters?You certainly gave a lot of info.

I gave a lot of info because people seem to think oblivion is much more powerful than say... His counterparts death etenity and infinity. My response was to show his strengths and weaknesses and remove this belief in his omnipotence...

And no I was not trained by mr master... Unlike some of the other people most of the stuff spewing from my lips comes from comics I've read and owned.. But god bless me but though I know the facts I can't recall issue numbers like some of te better forum members.

Originally posted by rotiart
I gave a lot of info because people seem to think oblivion is much more powerful than say... His counterparts death etenity and infinity. My response was to show his strengths and weaknesses and remove this belief in his omnipotence...

And no I was not trained by mr master... Unlike some of the other people most of the stuff spewing from my lips comes from comics I've read and owned.. But god bless me but though I know the facts I can't recall issue numbers like some of te better forum members.

Not more powerfull than his counterparts and in no way omnipotent. He is just the last one standing, because of what he is. It's the fact that you can't destroy nothing that makes him so 'tough', he can't be erased like the others, he already is nothing. Nullifying things means sending them to him.

MJJ wins this in a stomp!

I see some of yall are bringing up Oblivion's status as the concept of "nothingness"
as a form to defeat MJJ,
but yall are forgetting that in order for Oblivion to appear for a battle
he has to acquire a Fractal created M-Body,
which then makes Oblivion suseptible to harm because now he will have a physical form.

Infinity stalemated Oblivion in a battle,
and Edifice Rex made Oblivion tremble in fear,
so this unsupported notion that Oblivion can't be touched is fallacious.

MJJ has only one weakness, and its name is the Fury.

Nothingness is not a weakness for MJJ because in order to exploit that cheese move
you have to be able to take MJJ there by force,
and who the hell has the power to do that?

Not a freakin Concept that's at equals with Infinity, that's for sure. 🙂

ONLY the Fury was resistent enough to MJJ's powers to actually pull that off.
Even Matrix/Merlyn (omniversal power) was helpless against the far weaker MJJ 238,
so imagine how much more terrible MJJ 616 would be.

It was seen by Cobweb in an possible future, that if the Fury did not stop Jaspers,
then the Omniverse as we know it would be cancelled out by Jaspers.
This same acknowledgement was corroborated by Matrix/Merlyn
who said if Jaspers was not stopped (by the Fury) then the Omniverse would fall into chaos
and a new GOD (MJJ) would play dice with matter.

That aside:

Thanos/HOTI absorbed the Omniverse!

Only Warlock and Death survived.

Warlock because he's intrinsically part and apart from Eternity/Infinity,
so the effect on space-time did not recognize him,
although Thanos could've easily erased Warlock on a personal level.

Death because she was overlooked.
This could be a subconscious decision on Thanos' part
because of love for her.
I mean, at the end, he actually got what he always wanted,
Death's affection.

Gamora & Atleza were rubbed out with everything else,
I myself didn't understand this until I studied the End meticulously.

In an interview, Starlin made it clear, he destroyed the entire Marvel Universe.

Thanos was also bonded to Omni-Reality (Omniverse) giving him acess to all reality,
heck he even stated his consciousness went into realms he never knew existed,
and this is the same Thanos that became the entire 616 Universe TWICE before.

Wow. Do u realize how much pis would e involved to say that in a fit of rage thanos wiped out the omniverse including the guy number two to toaa...
And wiping out the area outside including atleza But manages to miss warlock...
It's just such... A crock...

Still u probably have the interviews and all I have are the issues. Bit that just makes me want to donkey punch starlin

Originally posted by rotiart
Bit that just makes me want to donkey punch starlin

😂 Do you even know what that means?

Originally posted by Mr Master
MJJ wins this in a stomp!

I see some of yall are bringing up Oblivion's status as the concept of "nothingness"
as a form to defeat MJJ,
but yall are forgetting that in order for Oblivion to appear for a battle
he has to acquire a Fractal created M-Body,
which then makes Oblivion suseptible to harm because now he will have a physical form.

Then Oblivion doesn't make a physical body, It's still Oblivion.
Oblivion would see the threat and stand back and see what MJJ can do.
And he'll do what he does best sit back and watch Weeds and possibly MJJ get sick of the fight and go home. WIN!

Originally posted by the ninjak
Then Oblivion doesn't make a physical body, It's still Oblivion.
Oblivion would see the threat and stand back and see what MJJ can do.
And he'll do what he does best sit back and watch Weeds and possibly MJJ get sick of the fight and go home. WIN!

If he doesn`t show up, MJJ wins on walkover 😉

I still don't see how a powerful reality warper like Oblivion couldn't just conjure up MJJ's one weakness, The Fury, using that to get rid of him.

Originally posted by CortSether
I still don't see how a powerful reality warper like Oblivion couldn't just conjure up MJJ's one weakness, The Fury, using that to get rid of him.

MJJ made the Fury, Oblivion is no MJJ.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That aside:

Thanos/HOTI absorbed the Omniverse!

Only Warlock and Death survived.

Warlock because he's intrinsically part and apart from Eternity/Infinity,
so the effect on space-time did not recognize him,
although Thanos could've easily erased Warlock on a personal level.

Death because she was overlooked.
This could be a subconscious decision on Thanos' part
because of love for her.
I mean, at the end, he actually got what he always wanted,
Death's affection.

Gamora & Atleza were rubbed out with everything else,
I myself didn't understand this until I studied the End meticulously.

In an interview, Starlin made it clear, he destroyed the entire Marvel Universe.

Thanos was also bonded to Omni-Reality (Omniverse) giving him acess to all reality,
heck he even stated his consciousness went into realms he never knew existed,
and this is the same Thanos that became the entire 616 Universe TWICE before.

THOTI did absorb entire Marvel Universe, also confirmed by writer.
Death wasn't destroyed, because of Thanos love towards her. His hearth was always with her, so of course she stayed.
Adam was protected by TOAA. Someone had to stay. TOAA chose Thanos for the job and chose Adam to convince Thanos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
MJJ wins this in a stomp!

I see some of yall are bringing up Oblivion's status as the concept of "nothingness"
as a form to defeat MJJ,
but yall are forgetting that in order for Oblivion to appear for a battle
he has to acquire a Fractal created M-Body,
which then makes Oblivion suseptible to harm because now he will have a physical form.

Infinity stalemated Oblivion in a battle,
and Edifice Rex made Oblivion tremble in fear,
so this unsupported notion that Oblivion can't be touched is fallacious.

MJJ has only one weakness, and its name is the Fury.

Nothingness is not a weakness for MJJ because in order to exploit that cheese move
you have to be able to take MJJ there by force,
and who the hell has the power to do that?

Not a freakin Concept that's at equals with Infinity, that's for sure. 🙂

ONLY the Fury was resistent enough to MJJ's powers to actually pull that off.
Even Matrix/Merlyn (omniversal power) was helpless against the far weaker MJJ 238,
so imagine how much more terrible MJJ 616 would be.

It was seen by Cobweb in an possible future, that if the Fury did not stop Jaspers,
then the Omniverse as we know it would be cancelled out by Jaspers.
This same acknowledgement was corroborated by Matrix/Merlyn
who said if Jaspers was not stopped (by the Fury) then the Omniverse would fall into chaos
and a new GOD (MJJ) would play dice with matter.

If we agree thathe can't warp the real oblivion, then either the battle is impossible cause it would have to be fought within oblivion where mjj is powerless or it's not a battle between mjj and oblivion itself, but between the manifestation he uses to poke arround inside eternity, which is not the real th thing. If the question is can oblivion grab mjj from the 616 against his will using his avatar? he probably can't, unless he can create a void bubble arround him within eternity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
MJJ wins this in a stomp!

I see some of yall are bringing up Oblivion's status as the concept of "nothingness"
as a form to defeat MJJ,
but yall are forgetting that in order for Oblivion to appear for a battle
he has to acquire a Fractal created M-Body,
which then makes Oblivion suseptible to harm because now he will have a physical form.

Infinity stalemated Oblivion in a battle,
and Edifice Rex made Oblivion tremble in fear,
so this unsupported notion that Oblivion can't be touched is fallacious.

MJJ has only one weakness, and its name is the Fury.

Nothingness is not a weakness for MJJ because in order to exploit that cheese move
you have to be able to take MJJ there by force,
and who the hell has the power to do that?

Not a freakin Concept that's at equals with Infinity, that's for sure. 🙂

ONLY the Fury was resistent enough to MJJ's powers to actually pull that off.
Even Matrix/Merlyn (omniversal power) was helpless against the far weaker MJJ 238,
so imagine how much more terrible MJJ 616 would be.

It was seen by Cobweb in an possible future, that if the Fury did not stop Jaspers,
then the Omniverse as we know it would be cancelled out by Jaspers.
This same acknowledgement was corroborated by Matrix/Merlyn
who said if Jaspers was not stopped (by the Fury) then the Omniverse would fall into chaos
and a new GOD (MJJ) would play dice with matter.

also thanos never absorbed oblivion on panel. how can he? he could absorb his fractal but how can he absorb the nothingness that comes after everything is absorbed? what would be left if he absorbed oblivion itself?
also no one here ever said he was any more powerful than eternity.