Originally posted by Keollynmariofacepalm You're not ignoring it, you're breaking it's rules and not travelling directly through it. Your brain still operates in the normal flow of space and time and you need to aim it Sheik's feat is far better. 😐
But that wasn't the argument. One said that it makes her precision better than Bayo. Teleportation takes no precision because you're ignoring space and time.And the teleportation is instant--not so much the before and after.
Umm...
You know that speed equal distance and time. Space can be considered another definition of distance (you have to cross a certain amount of space to reach a destination)
When you teleport, what the hell do you think you're doing? I know speed isn't involved...
It's like this physics class--except I'm the teacher...
Originally posted by KeollynWe're discussing precision, mah boi. Where you got speed from my post, I dunno.
Umm...You know that speed equal distance and time. Space can be considered another definition of distance (you have to cross a certain amount of space to reach a destination)
When you teleport, what the hell do you think you're doing? I know speed isn't involved...
It's like this physics class--except I'm the teacher...
Sheik's feat of precision is much better.
As far as speed, Sheik's clearly got the reaction time, and as you said, a teleport which ignores speed entirely.
Edit: You're the physics teacher? I had some lolz. You're bringing up things completely unrelated to the argument at hand which have to do with physics, but it doesn't make you more knowledgable by virtue of posting a couple links.
Lern 2 debate Precision feats and stay on topic, speed is a seperate debate.
Originally posted by Keollyn
Because you said your not ignoring space and time + facepalmIt's like reading--only I'm the only one doing it.
CONGRATULASHUNZ.
mariofacepalm <--For your efforts. 🙂
It's like the more Scream and his merry team of lollinklovers realize they're faults, they start to fall more outside the realm of facepalmery and begin to descend into the land of milk and wtfukery
You don't 'aim' a teleportation. It's not necessary when you don't have to worry about a moving object.
Teleportation has no speed. That means where your teleporting to has no speed
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
For the record, an instantaneous teleportation technique would trump a time slow handily.So with the time of the before and the need to account for the after, you have Sheik's precision.
No, it wouldnt. Against Bay teleporting is useless without the speed to attack after. Strike speed that would have to be faster then a bullet shot at point-blank. Speed that Sheik hasnt shown. So when she appears to either strike or evade somewhere else Bay can activate her power, stop time and kill Sheik.
It's like the more Scream and his merry team of lollinklovers realize they're faults, they start to fall more outside the realm of facepalmery and begin to descend into the land of milk and wtfukery
You don't 'aim' a teleportation. It's not necessary when you don't have to worry about a moving object.Are you implying Sheik can see in 4d? Because she can't. You do need to aim it, because you do see an object as moving if it is moving and you as a result need to judge where you want to teleport to, and execute the teleport. TADAH, logic. You're acting like Sheik is Dr Manhattan, she isn't.
Teleportation has no speed. That means where your teleporting to has no speedThat means, you still need to judge before you teleport, I could give you a laser pointer, which yes, has speed, but let's scale this down. If I throw a paper air plane, and ask you to shine the laser pointer at the paper air plane, does the laser pointer near instantly reaching it's target (would get to the paper plane before it could move a hundredth of a millimeter) somehow eliminate your ability to misjudge and time when to push the button?
LOGIC! Lern eet.
Teleporting is instant, and lacks speed, but the teleporter still needs the time to judge a teleport, and actually execute it. Being a teleporter does not make you Dr Manhattan.
Edit: Imagine someone with the reaction speed of.. An alcoholic sloth, who could teleport. If you tell them to teleport ontop of a car, they will more than likely fail, and teleport behind it. (assumign they somehow had a teleport), because the teleporter's own cognition is still a factor.
It's come to me that physics haven't been taught rather well where you went.
Let's have a refresher, shall we?
Speed = distance over time.
Teleportation = Teleportation is the ability of moving matter from one point in time and space to another point in time and space instantaneously
The fact that you move matter over a distance instantly and mass doesn't increase, means clearly that you 'ignored' speed--thus meaning you ignored 'space and time'
Im not saying you go behind the walls of spacetime. Never said that (because that's not teleportation, nor is it necessary). It's just you simply ignoring the thing that makes up speed.
And if you are ignoring the very essense of speed, why are you concerned with your target... which should also have no speed?
Why is this really hard to grasp?
Oh wait, education system
Page one, Link dodges lasers. Page 27, Link still dodges lasers. You deny they're fast because they're visible.
I deny it also becuase there is nothing superhuman in the scene what-so ever. The 'lasers' (which btw you are still merely assuming as lasers becuase they look like them, despite acting completely different) are not moving at above human reaction time (as in humans could react to them) and the characters are not showing reflexes above human (peak/meta-human (which is below superhuman btw) at best) or any evidence of super-speed capabilities. We can measure that by the terrian btw. They are moving at normal speeds at all times.
You deny they're fast because they're visible. This is as fallacious a remark as is possible to make in reference to fiction, as we need to see it to comprehend wtf is going on. Kthnx.
You are ignoring that if they were legitimately fast it would be simple to show it. There would be evidence that its an actually good feat, like if the characters where moving at superspeed or the shot was slowed down to the point where its visible. Take the bulletdodging in Bayonetta, shes a frickin blur, clearly above human speeds and reacting to something genuinely fast (as in when anyone fires a gun the bullet is invisible unless the scene is slowed down). If the laser was above human speeds, you would have to back this up by showing that it is, or by having Link deal with it in a super-human manner like Bay does.
Bottom line, you need evidence. You can claim that its impossible for lasers to be that slow, but do so using evidence from Smash. Using real world physics is not acceptible in a world where people can teleport, double jump and crap thunder, think lightning (the last two are examples btw). Sure there's the implication that lasers are fast becuase of physics, but heres the kicker, Visual evidence> Implications. Heck you can say that its impossible for them to be that slow, but I'm going to keep watching that scene and giggle over how evidence trumps your speculation.
Mastersword, the blackhole PIS weapon of the Zelda universe which defends Link from Ganon's broken ass powers, and has cutscenes backing it doing just that, your defense? A strawman fallacy, and the claim that TK isn't used on Link. (It is.)
You clearly need to look up what a strawman is, becuase its actually you who are using it i.e. by talking about something completely unrelated to the topic and claiming its related. And NO IT IS NOT USED.
Protecting from one thing does not prove it will protect you from something completely different.
You then accuse me of trying to save face as thoguh you've made some sort of ground breaking argument]
No, and that is what is truely sad about this thread, I am not doing anything groundbreaking, I'm using something so basic its laughable, something which I learnt in primary school, which is that you have to back things up with some bloody evidence!
Which you have not done. 😐
btw, what feats does Shiek have other than the Arwing one? Becuase that really is not enough to stop her being utterly raped.
Originally posted by KeollynActually, this has been disproven, it's equivelant to "lightspeed", the.. I forget their names, light version of witches. It's just withc time by another name.
And witch time is light speed, so yeah
Originally posted by Keollyn
So umm, Scream and Moo... why is teleportation even important when the person teleporting still has to worry about light speed [b]after teleportation? [/B]
Unfortunately, Keollyn, I have to agree with your opposition on this matter. A teleport moves you to a space in reality without moving through the spaces between yourself and it. It teleports you to the space, not the object.
The feat still is not impressive though, given that the Arwing wasn't moving that fast at all and so even I could predict where it would be upon completion of a teleport.
edit: Witch time is still fast enough that she could activate it, run up to Link and Shiek and punch their faces off before they could react.