Sentry vs Superman

Originally posted by krisblaze
There are plenty of defenses here though, and not a single one of them is any indicator of fanboyism..

There really isn't.

The first being that this is ****ing 2009 Sentry.

Why are we not using the most current version of the character? Iceman sure as hell didn't flinch bringing up Superdoom.

The second being that we don't go by the no-limits fallacy for a character with regeneration.

When you find out his limits for regeneration, you let us know.

The third being that it depends on how long it takes for someone to be taken out of a fight for it to constitute as a KMC-win.

Iceman seems to think that its a 10 second rule. That's more than enough time for a character that regenerates almost instantly even from the molecular level.

Again, Superman cannot win this. Sentry has too much going on.

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Originally posted by iceman24567
Exactly the point i was trying to make these people act like i am reaching because of this 😆. His body isn't impervious which is all that matters on a battle board soul be damned 😆

😂 I've never seen somebody so happy to have a person side with him. You still have yet to make any kind of valid argument in this thread.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Which is my point his body can be damage this isn't a comic damaging/ beating his body is a win.

Tell that to Thor. 😂 Remember that almost all of Sentry's physical body being damaged was either allowed by the character or self inflicted to make a point. The one time it wasn't was when Thor sucker punched him while Sentry was engrossed with the Wasp. Superman wont have that luxury.

Originally posted by tkitna
😂 I've never seen somebody so happy to have a person side with him. You still have yet to make any kind of valid argument in this thread.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Is it just me or is this the most iceman24567 has posted consecutively in one thread in years?

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Originally posted by iceman24567
More like you havent been active since Nova was gone great to have you back 🙂

I was in lurk mode for a year or so.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...it is. I'm surprised tbh.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Either way Superman does not have the power to do what you are proposing.

More to what I was getting at.

What I am proposing? What was I proposing that Superman would do?

I'm saying that;

a) We're using the current Sentry from when the thread was started. The type of character doesn't change mid-thread as time passes.

b) Sentry does not have unlimited regeneration as nobody but the TOAA has that. We've seen him come back from Thor smashing his brain once and from being eaten by the worm.

c) We don't know how long Sentry or Superman needs to be down for it to constitute as a win for the other side.

Originally posted by krisblaze
What I am proposing? What was I proposing that Superman would do?

I'm saying that;

a) We're using the current Sentry from when the thread was started. The type of character doesn't change mid-thread as time passes.

b) Sentry does not have unlimited regeneration as nobody but the TOAA has that. We've seen him come back from Thor smashing his brain once and from being eaten by the worm.

c) We don't know how long Sentry or Superman needs to be down for it to constitute as a win for the other side.

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Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah except a couple other people agree as well. I knew you to be a more mature and more civil person than you are currently acting or maybe you were just acting.before

This thread is a wash anyways.

Sentry's fans are too heavily invested in him for there to be any real debate.

The most heavily invested Superman fans have already noted this down as an easy win for him (as they always do 😛) and cleared for more interesting threads.

Which leaves mildly interested people and a rabid Sentry population 🙂

Originally posted by krisblaze

a) We're using the current Sentry from when the thread was started. The type of character doesn't change mid-thread as time passes.

Your using the Sentry from when the thread started. Why cant we use current incarnations and feats as they happen? Don't we use current versions all the time? This just seems silly.

b) Sentry does not have unlimited regeneration as nobody but the TOAA has that. We've seen him come back from Thor smashing his brain once and from being eaten by the worm.

How do you know the extent of Sentry's regeneration abilities? You keep saying that there's a limit to his regen, but yet he's never been shown to have one on panel. He's come back from total molecular dispersion, to constant burning from the sun, to having his face blown off by Lindy, to having his head crushed in, and the couple times he ripped his own face and skull apart in which you didn't mention. Again, your point isn't making sense.

c) We don't know how long Sentry or Superman needs to be down for it to constitute as a win for the other side.

10 seconds from what I've been told.

Originally posted by krisblaze
This thread is a wash anyways.

Sentry's fans are too heavily invested in him for there to be any real debate.

A real debate is the only thing we've been asking for. None has been provided from the superman side as of yet.

The most heavily invested Superman fans have already noted this down as an easy win for him (as they always do 😛) and cleared for more interesting threads.

With no evidence or logical proof as to how he cold possibly win. Just that he does. Your right on the account that the pro superman crowd has left though. They realized they don't have a leg to stand on here.

Which leaves mildly interested people and a rabid Sentry population 🙂

No surprise with such an obvious outcome.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah except a couple other people agree as well. I knew you to be a more mature and more civil person than you are currently acting or maybe you were just acting.before

So now my characters being questioned? At least i'm not saying somebody wins without even a modicum of proof or reasoning.

Originally posted by tkitna
Your using the Sentry from when the thread started. Why cant we use current incarnations and feats as they happen? Don't we use current versions all the time? This just seems silly.

"Character A just developed a ton of new abilities, so obviously all the arguments of the previous 50 pages are now null and void". Seems more silly.

2009 Sentry's purposely been separated from Death Sentry anyways. You're not arguing a composite version here.

Originally posted by tkitna
How do you know the extent of Sentry's regeneration abilities? You keep saying that there's a limit to his regen, but yet he's never been shown to have one on panel. He's come back from total molecular dispersion, to constant burning from the sun, to having his face blown off by Lindy, to having his head crushed in, and the couple times he ripped his own face and skull apart in which you didn't mention. Again, your point isn't making sense.

- I already explained that we invoke the no-limits fallacy. It requires energy and energy has to come from somewhere. Having his body be dispersed doesn't matter if he's a psychic entity like Rockslide or Iceman.

- I forgot about the sun. Which means that if this happened to be Death Sentry, which it's not, Superman could take him out with heat vision. Easy win for the inevitable Superman vs Death Sentry thread.

- I didn't mention the skull rip because it didn't take him out.

- I didn't mention Linda destroying him because it was
a) a different Sentry

b) a pathetic low feat

Originally posted by tkitna
10 seconds from what I've been told.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It seems silly to consistently use the characters that the OP specifies?

"Character A just developed a ton of new abilities, so obviously all the arguments of the previous 50 pages are now null and void". Seems more silly.

2009 Sentry's purposely been separated from Death Sentry anyways. You're not arguing a composite version here.

I'll help you understand.

- I already explained that we invoke the no-limits fallacy. It requires energy and energy has to come from somewhere. Having his body be dispersed doesn't matter if he's a psychic entity like Rockslide or Iceman.

- I forgot about the sun. Which means that if this happened to be Death Sentry, which it's not, Superman could take him out with heat vision. Easy win for the inevitable Superman vs Death Sentry thread.

- I didn't mention the skull rip because it didn't take him out.

- I didn't mention Linda destroying him because it was
a) a different Sentry

b) a pathetic low feat

Okay, so then he loses? open and shut case.

The thing with the Sentry in the Sun thing (if you're speaking not of the Siege occasion but the other one) was that he was allowing himself to die but the Void knew he didn't want it enough so he carried on regenerating.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It seems silly to consistently use the characters that the OP specifies?

The OP specified the character 5 years ago. Things change and threads get bumped. Your just reaching now.

"Character A just developed a ton of new abilities, so obviously all the arguments of the previous 50 pages are now null and void". Seems more silly.

And yet that's how these boards work. If somebody would have made a new thread, they would have gotten crucified because other threads exist.

2009 Sentry's purposely been separated from Death Sentry anyways. You're not arguing a composite version here.

Why, because current Sentry is too powerful? Seems strange to separate a character when they are the same character regardless of the amp. Its not like Sentry has different powers or anything.

I'll help you understand.

- I already explained that we invoke the no-limits fallacy. It requires energy and energy has to come from somewhere. Having his body be dispersed doesn't matter if he's a psychic entity like Rockslide or Iceman.

So limits have been placed on characters to make it fair for opposing characters even though they have never displayed such limits? So an example would be that the Invisible Woman has a limit as to how many times she can turn invisible just so the other character has a chance to see her? Hmmmm?

- I forgot about the sun. Which means that if this happened to be Death Sentry, which it's not, Superman could take him out with heat vision. Easy win for the inevitable Superman vs Death Sentry thread.

He was allowing himself to be harmed because he was trying to commit suicide. He couldn't even die when he tried, and we're to believe that Superman is going to take him out with heat vision?

- I didn't mention the skull rip because it didn't take him out.

Right. Think about that. What could Superman do again that would be worse than that to take him out? Now we're getting somewhere.

- I didn't mention Linda destroying him because it was
a) a different Sentry

b) a pathetic low feat

Same character and power set. Why was it a low feat? She shot his face off and he was fine a panel or two later like he always is. Just a normal run of the mill feat for Sentry.

Okay, so then he loses? open and shut case.

Tell me how again?

Sentry is stronger, just as fast or faster, is more versatile, and cant die, but he loses to Superman? Sure he does.

Originally posted by tkitna
The OP specified the character 5 years ago. Things change and threads get bumped. Your just reaching now.

And yet that's how these boards work. If somebody would have made a new thread, they would have gotten crucified because other threads exist.

But I guess every Thor thread has him hammerless then? The Thor vs Superman thread suddenly turned into a mad spite-thread? 😆

Originally posted by tkitna
Why, because current Sentry is too powerful? Seems strange to separate a character when they are the same character regardless of the amp. Its not like Sentry has different powers or anything.

People have already started separating Death Sentry from regular Sentry or the Void.

Originally posted by tkitna
So limits have been placed on characters to make it fair for opposing characters even though they have never displayed such limits? So an example would be that the Invisible Woman has a limit as to how many times she can turn invisible just so the other character has a chance to see her? Hmmmm?

Originally posted by tkitna
He was allowing himself to be harmed because he was trying to commit suicide. He couldn't even die when he tried, and we're to believe that Superman is going to take him out with heat vision?

Right. Think about that. What could Superman do again that would be worse than that to take him out? Now we're getting somewhere.

Superman's heat vision is at least that. Hotter by some accounts, and he can wide-spray it to cover a planet....So Sentry's toast.

Originally posted by tkitna
Same character and power set. Why was it a low feat? She shot his face off and he was fine a panel or two later like he always is. Just a normal run of the mill feat for Sentry.

Originally posted by tkitna
Sentry is stronger, just as fast or faster, is more versatile, and cant die, but he loses to Superman? Sure he does.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'll get a mod ruling on this for you, to stop this desperation.

But I guess every Thor thread has him hammerless then? The Thor vs Superman thread suddenly turned into a mad spite-thread? 😆

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577880.html
Here's the ruling on Sentry/Void.

People have already started separating Death Sentry from regular Sentry or the Void.

I honestly thought you understood the no-limits fallacy. [URL=http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/No_limits_fallacy]Here it is, easily explained.

Well, just being in the sun dispersed his molecules (Btw: Thor has 3 incidents of handling this, Superman at least 5).

Superman's heat vision is at least that. Hotter by some accounts, and he can wide-spray it to cover a planet....So Sentry's toast.

Just seemed pathetic. It was just some shit gun and it took him out. If you're proud then that's fine.

He's none of those things, and if he can't die then he can't access the white hot room (where he supposedly left the void).

I will say again with the Sun Sentry purposely went there to kill himself, if you're not talking about the Siege example. And he healed up because he didn't want it enough.

In Siege he didn't even have a body left to regenerate from bar the atom that the Void was trying to become one again from.

And Sentry didn't even put him in the White Hot Room. The Void left after he got bored of the constant regen from an atom to nothing over an over again.

You saying he can kill Sentry by using his heat vision isn't true at all, you are misconstruing the context of the events you are speaking of. He has flown through a sun before when not wanting to kill himself and was fine.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'll get a mod ruling on this for you, to stop this desperation.

But I guess every Thor thread has him hammerless then? The Thor vs Superman thread suddenly turned into a mad spite-thread? 😆

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577880.html
Here's the ruling on Sentry/Void.

People have already started separating Death Sentry from regular Sentry or the Void.

I honestly thought you understood the no-limits fallacy. [URL=http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/No_limits_fallacy]Here it is, easily explained.

Well, just being in the sun dispersed his molecules (Btw: Thor has 3 incidents of handling this, Superman at least 5).

Superman's heat vision is at least that. Hotter by some accounts, and he can wide-spray it to cover a planet....So Sentry's toast.

Just seemed pathetic. It was just some shit gun and it took him out. If you're proud then that's fine.

He's none of those things, and if he can't die then he can't access the white hot room (where he supposedly left the void).

I think this is a troll post. I might be wrong though.