Originally posted by tkitna
But he already displayed him on panel. Sure he keeps him underwraps but it doesnt mean that its not there nontheless. We are in agreement that the Void and the Sentry are the same being arent we?
Originally posted by batdude123
😂 All of Sentry's high end feats happened YEARS ago. You're blatantly ignoring his recent showings because they're devastating to the argument of "Sentry, can, liek, totallyz beats SUPAMAN!!!1@"Sentry's feats have averaged out. Now we can get an accurate measurement of the power level he operates at. We're at the point beyond all the Sentry hype. It's in the past. Get over it.
And btw, the statement of "these guys have the power to shred entire worlds" (or something like that) was obvious narrative hyperbole. He's never displayed the power to do anything close to that.
Nowadays, Sentry gets one shotted by the female version of Super Adaptoid... twice (and I'm sure Sentry totally holds back his durability... lulz). And it really isn't PIS because his recent showings haven't proved that it is.
So, you can claim that Sentry has the means to defeat Superman all you want. Your only hurting your credibility by ignoring all of his recent showings and focusing on what he did years ago.
That's completely asinine logic. 😬
i love how every time the sentry is depicted as powerful its hyperbole...current sentry is the same person as in his first series, so his old showings are completely valid...all the low showings lately just show how his powers can fluctuated so much with his mental stat
Originally posted by Creshosk
Or I interpreted it differently from you. You are really close to trolling at this point. I read the comics.No, not holding back means expending all your energy, Just like Sentry did.
Are you seriously going to try and argue such a stupid point? "He wasn't trying to win even though he expended all his energy."
Then he was trying to lose?
That sounds like CIS which would cost him a lot of fights around here.
So are you still going to go with such an idiotic statement?
Seeing as how most people agree with me its not just my opinion. In fact the way you'd have it only your opinion would count agsint so many others.
So yeah, nice being hypocritical AGAIN.
Go read some damned superman comics and educate yourself. Its blindingly obvious you haven't.
I've read Sentry comics and Superman comics. I say Superman wins.
You've ready only Sentry comics. You say sentry wins.Yeah, your education is sorely lacking.
you are right that he was trying to lose...and i agree that CIS will make him lose often...but with CIS and PIS aside sentry is damn powerful(just like his first appearances)
and you cant assume what comics people read and dont read
Originally posted by bbrem123Tell that to the guy I was talking to. I never said Sentry was weak, just that its wasn't a very good argument on his part because of how much it undermines the character on these boards and does nothing to prove that he'd win. Pis does get cast aside. Cis however does not. it can be really detrimental to an other wise potentially uber character. I know I'm probably going to get laughed at for this but take Jubilee for example.
you are right that he was trying to lose...and i agree that CIS will make him lose often...but with CIS and PIS aside sentry is damn powerful(just like his first appearances)and you cant assume what comics people read and dont read
She's stated that she was afraid of using her powers so holds back all the time. Even though in the past she's pulled a death blossom move and taken out a warehouse as well as an explosion that took out the mandarin's mansion. Her powers at the time were stated to have been able to detonate matter on a sub atomic level. She was a walking atom bomb.
She's also an ace gymnast, that routinely fought and beat hand ninja. That probably doesn't count for much since its a stock bad guy. But it shows shes not a slouch. But due to her personal inhibitions as a reluctant hero she didn't really do all that much. So around here Since CIS is not turned off she's just not that strong a character in given battles.
Originally posted by bbrem123Unfortunatly that the way things work. Unless otherwise specified we use the most current version of a character. If he's had a stirng of low showing's lately then he's perhaps been depowered a little, in which case his old showings were NOT valid. Take Juggernaut for example. When he was in his depowered state none of his classic showings were valid even though its the same character. becaue at the time he wasn't shown to be as powerful as he used to be.
i love how every time the sentry is depicted as powerful its hyperbole...current sentry is the same person as in his first series, so his old showings are completely valid...all the low showings lately just show how his powers can fluctuated so much with his mental stat
Like wise if a character has recently had a string of high showings we go with the more powered up version and tend to overlook the previous old showings.
Its in the rules, CIS is not turned off and we use the most current version of a character.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Tell that to the guy I was talking to. I never said Sentry was weak, just that its wasn't a very good argument on his part because of how much it undermines the character on these boards and does nothing to prove that he'd win. Pis does get cast aside. Cis however does not. it can be really detrimental to an other wise potentially uber character. I know I'm probably going to get laughed at for this but take Jubilee for example.She's stated that she was afraid of using her powers so holds back all the time. Even though in the past she's pulled a death blossom move and taken out a warehouse as well as an explosion that took out the mandarin's mansion. Her powers at the time were stated to have been able to detonate matter on a sub atomic level. She was a walking atom bomb.
She's also an ace gymnast, that routinely fought and beat hand ninja. That probably doesn't count for much since its a stock bad guy. But it shows shes not a slouch. But due to her personal inhibitions as a reluctant hero she didn't really do all that much. So around here Since CIS is not turned off she's just not that strong a character in given battles.
Unfortunatly that the way things work. Unless otherwise specified we use the most current version of a character. If he's had a stirng of low showing's lately then he's perhaps been depowered a little, in which case his old showings were NOT valid. Take Juggernaut for example. When he was in his depowered state none of his classic showings were valid even though its the same character. becaue at the time he wasn't shown to be as powerful as he used to be.
Like wise if a character has recently had a string of high showings we go with the more powered up version and tend to overlook the previous old showings.
Its in the rules, CIS is not turned off and we use the most current version of a character.
but with juggernaut it was stated that he was depowered...but with sentry there has been no mention of a depowering besides low showing...but for all his low showing there are also high showings to counteract them...take the helicopter incident, where he need help to stop it...and now recently they showed him catching a falling airplane with one hand no problem
Originally posted by bbrem123
but with juggernaut it was stated that he was depowered...but with sentry there has been no mention of a depowering besides low showing...but for all his low showing there are also high showings to counteract them...take the helicopter incident, where he need help to stop it...and now recently they showed him catching a falling airplane with one hand no problem
Also have him lifting a cruise ship with 1 hand
Originally posted by bbrem123Sometimes that's all it takes.
but with juggernaut it was stated that he was depowered...but with sentry there has been no mention of a depowering besides low showing...
Originally posted by bbrem123I imagine that the helicarrier is a bit more than an airplane.
but for all his low showing there are also high showings to counteract them...take the helicopter incident, where he need help to stop it...and now recently they showed him catching a falling airplane with one hand no problem
Originally posted by bbrem123
i love how every time the sentry is depicted as powerful its hyperbole...
facepalm
Not every time, but in that instance, it was obvious hyperbole.
Oh, and trying to act as if I'm underselling all of Sentry's high end feats in order to gain some kind of upper hand is pretty cute. You're trying to make it seem like Sentry is portrayed as some kind of martyr, because nobody gives him any credit for his best showings. This, in turn, distracts from the actual point because it takes attention away from the one, specific feat in question. So rather than addressing it head on, you generalize with some bullshit reasoning.
That one, specific feat was hyperbole. Period. 🙂
Originally posted by bbrem123
current sentry is the same person as in his first series, so his old showings are completely valid...all the low showings lately just show how his powers can fluctuated so much with his mental stat
It couldn't POSSIBLY be that the writers are just toning him down, right?
Originally posted by bbrem123
recently they showed him catching a falling airplane with one hand no problem
Originally posted by PeterlaneYou're going to compare airplanes and a cruise ship with this?
Also have him lifting a cruise ship with 1 hand
Yeah.. I think the helicarrier is a bit bigger than either of those... combined. By quite a bit actually.
Originally posted by bbrem123
but with juggernaut it was stated that he was depowered...but with sentry there has been no mention of a depowering besides low showing...but for all his low showing there are also high showings to counteract them...take the helicopter incident, where he need help to stop it...and now recently they showed him catching a falling airplane with one hand no problem
You cant compare the hulk that fought Juggernaut against the hulk that fought Sentry. The powerlevels of both was completely different. His fight with Sentry, wasnt that in the same comic that he went to world breaker mode?
Originally posted by carver9
You cant compare the hulk that fought Juggernaut against the hulk that fought Sentry. The powerlevels of both was completely different. His fight with Sentry, wasnt that in the same comic that he went to world breaker mode?
Sentry had nothing to do with that
Originally posted by Peterlane
Which matters how? It looks like marvel is followeing the same path with The Sentry.
You can't call them the same thing just because both of them had gone from a previously high portrayal of power to a smaller one, when the circumstances in which it happened are totally different. Following the COIE, they made it a goal to significantly depower Superman in order to set him apart from the PC version so, like I said, having Superman doing impressive feats was a no for a large period of time. It wasn't until the late 90s/early 2000s that Superman really got a push in power.
If you're saying that they are following the same path (ie they want to show that the current version of Sentry isn't the same one with the one from earlier series and significantly depower him, like they did with pre-Crisis and post Crisis versions of Superman) then you're certainly hurting your whole stance.
Though I don't know why I'm bothering with you, when it's obvious you're doing nothing except troll.