So if its in his character to hold back and to intentionally lose and this from the rules thread:
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.Clarification of CIS
Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
He can never win, because he psychologically sabatoges himself. its in character for him to lose to superman, and pretty much breaking the CIS rules to say he wins.
Originally posted by tkitna
He burnt himself out on purpose against WWH. I cant believe people still think differently.
The question is, how the Hell did he know he could burn himself out? He's constantly pushed as this big bad mofo with uber powers. Maybe he just figured he finally gets to abuse his powers like all the filthy superheroes secretly want to do, and he figured Hulk was the only one around that could take it? But, really, he went there to fight Hulk. He just shows up ready to fight and decides "You know what? F*CK it. I'll burn my powers out on his ass and cream my jeans."
I doubt it. It seems clear, really, that he lost control, similar to Thor's Warrior Madness, which is what he was afraid of, and that's why he thanked Bruce for dogging his ass to the ground. He was scared of fighting all-out, did it anyway, lost control, Bruce KO's him, he's happy. I don't think he knew he could burn himself out at all, or even that Hulk would beat him. But he did. And I guess Bob creamed his tights anyway.
Originally posted by Master Court
The question is, how the Hell did he know he could burn himself out? He's constantly pushed as this big bad mofo with uber powers. Maybe he just figured he finally gets to abuse his powers like all the filthy superheroes secretly want to do, and he figured Hulk was the only one around that could take it? But, really, he went there to fight Hulk. He just shows up ready to fight and decides "You know what? F*CK it. I'll burn my powers out on his ass and cream my jeans."I doubt it. It seems clear, really, that he lost control, similar to Thor's Warrior Madness, which is what he was afraid of, and that's why he thanked Bruce for dogging his ass to the ground. He was scared of fighting all-out, did it anyway, lost control, Bruce KO's him, he's happy. I don't think he knew he could burn himself out at all, or even that Hulk would beat him. But he did. And I guess Bob creamed his tights anyway.
The fact that he didnt choose to absorb more energy?
Originally posted by PeterlaneIs merely unfounded speculation. He may have spent energy faster than he could absorb.
The fact that he didnt choose to absorb more energy?
Do you really believe that sentry wants to lose fights? That its part of his character to be a loser?
You think he's as good as Rhino?
Or are you over rating him?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Is merely unfounded speculation. He may have spent energy faster than he could absorb.Do you really believe that sentry wants to lose fights? That its part of his character to be a loser?
You think he's as good as Rhino?
Or are you over rating him?
He doesn't like to lose, he just doesn't want to kill, so he holds back ALOT. Even Herc said he should learn to fight with all his heart.
Originally posted by PeterlaneYet he wanted to in that fight?
He doesn't like to lose,
He doesn't want to lose, but he wanted to lose. You're not being logical or consistent.
Originally posted by PeterlaneAnd yet he expended all his energy and passed out against the hulk?
he just doesn't want to kill, so he holds back ALOT. Even Herc said he should learn to fight with all his heart.
Your arguments contradict the comics.
Originally posted by Master Court
The question is, how the Hell did he know he could burn himself out? He's constantly pushed as this big bad mofo with uber powers. Maybe he just figured he finally gets to abuse his powers like all the filthy superheroes secretly want to do, and he figured Hulk was the only one around that could take it? But, really, he went there to fight Hulk. He just shows up ready to fight and decides "You know what? F*CK it. I'll burn my powers out on his ass and cream my jeans."I doubt it. It seems clear, really, that he lost control, similar to Thor's Warrior Madness, which is what he was afraid of, and that's why he thanked Bruce for dogging his ass to the ground. He was scared of fighting all-out, did it anyway, lost control, Bruce KO's him, he's happy. I don't think he knew he could burn himself out at all, or even that Hulk would beat him. But he did. And I guess Bob creamed his tights anyway.
He had to release his energy because it was driving him mad. He thought when he released the last amount that it was going to kill the Hulk and himself and that was his plan. He had to stop the Hulk and he thought that would do it, but as we know, they both ended up reverting back.
Its amazing how many claims are made based on no proof that are completely illogical. Especially by people who can't accept the facts as they are.
Master Court's explanation makes more sense. than the people who say "He doesn't like to lose, but he wanted to lose."
Superman wins, not only does he have the feats to prove it, apparently he's also the better character all around since he's not limited by an insanity that will always keep him from losing. Unlike a very poorly done imitation.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yet he wanted to in that fight?He doesn't want to lose, but he wanted to lose. You're not being logical or consistent.
And yet he expended all his energy and passed out against the hulk?
Your arguments contradict the comics.
Did you read the WWH issue? Have you ever been in a fight? If you have, is it common to stand there smiling while the other person is beating on your face? Thats how hard the Sentry was fighting back. He gave the hulk a few shots and then let him beat on him to help release the energy. He was drunk with power at the time.
As for the Hercules fight, I love Herc and thought that issue was funny, but Sentry wasnt out to hurt him. He wasnt trying at all. Herc even mentioned that he didnt bring his A game.
Originally posted by tkitnaYou know what I'm pretty close to reporting you for violating the rules again.
Did you read the WWH issue?
Because this sounds pretty close to a bias claim that is off limits.
Sentry loses to everyone on the forums... Sorry, its in the rules.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.Clarification of CIS
Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
Sentry cannot win because he's mentally inhibited from doing so. apparently he sabotages himself. Its in character, therefore. Sentrey loses every thread with default rules.