Originally posted by Diesldude
From hereEventhough that was a sun-amped sup - but not sun dipped..
Ah I see you....happened to have one of his posts from over year at the ready....just incase this was ever...brought up...Slightly creepy.
Originally posted by Diesldude
From hereEventhough that was a sun-amped sup - but not sun dipped..
Ah I see you....happened to have one of his posts from over year at the ready....just incase this was ever...brought up...Slightly creepy.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ah I see you....happened to have one of his posts from over year at the ready....just incase this was ever...brought up...Slightly creepy.
On a similar note, i was reading superman's respect thread and I came across this little gem : --
Originally posted by carver9LOL Love'd pr's response to that too.
Superman can basically overcome any obstacle if he puts his mind to it. Can't help but to love the character. I hope they carry all of Pre-Reboot Superman traits to the new Superman.
Originally posted by Diesldude
What, you never used the search button before? My query was for something else entirely not sure how that thread came up in the results, but it wasn't long so i went through it and found Jake's post. LOL
My post doesn't really contradict what I've said in this thread.
Barring specific circumstances like Superman amping or being helped out in some way via plot device, I don't see him beating the Void influenced Sentry or the Void entity itself. Different story with either unbalanced wussy Sentry or competent Sentry.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThe only thing is, i don't think superman needs to go out of his way to get sun amp like he would if he needed to take a dip in the sun. Bluewaverider or something even says that fighting under the sun over the pacific ocean amps him. If this fight is in a closed area superman is going get amped.
My post doesn't really contradict what I've said in this thread.Barring specific circumstances like Superman amping or being helped out in some way via plot device, I don't see him beating the Void influenced Sentry or the Void entity itself. Different story with either unbalanced wussy Sentry or competent Sentry.
Originally posted by Diesldude
The only thing is, i don't think superman needs to go out of his way to get sun amp like he would if he needed to take a dip in the sun. Bluewaverider or something even says that fighting under the sun over the pacific ocean amps him. If this fight is in a closed area superman is going get amped.
Per the OP, Superman fights in the orbit of Earth, so there's significantly more solar energy for him to absorb, more so than if he was fighting on Earth. It's good, but not enough to beat Void, imo, especially considering that Voidtry could feasibly take the fight back down to the surface without much effort.
In the other thread, the fight was taking place right next to the sun. Completely different scales of the level of sunlight Superman is taking in and a significantly large advantage for Superman.
The closer he is to the Sun and the longer he stays there, the greater effect it's going to have on him. Obviously, any form of sunlight aids him, but the difference is substantial to the say the least.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
My post doesn't really contradict what I've said in this thread.Barring specific circumstances like Superman amping or being helped out in some way via plot device, I don't see him beating the Void influenced Sentry or the Void entity itself. Different story with either unbalanced wussy Sentry or competent Sentry.
That's where i disagree, superman doesn't need any kind of amp to defeat the sentry.
Originally posted by Diesldude
How invulnerable is MM if he doesn't use his powers?That's the being Sentry manipulated, i don't think it works on superman.
So why do we bring up context behind Thor killing Sentry and then completely ignore it when Sentry killed MM?
He was using his powers; Sentry overpowered him. Easily Bob's greatest feat ever and a bit PIS-y for my tastes, but whatever.
You think Superman would endure the molecular manipulation that Owen couldn't? How does that even work? 😬
No one's ignoring anything? The context to Molecule Man's defeat is that Sentry had greater raw power than Owen, but he didn't have the finesse or skill that he did (which is why he made Owen fix everything). Molecule Man also killed him twice before he came back for good and overpowered him. Don't think Superman can do the same thing.
Originally posted by Diesldude
That's where i disagree, superman doesn't need any kind of amp to defeat the sentry.
How does Superman, without any amp or plot device, beat Voidtry? Are you suggesting he's more powerful than Thor + the Avengers + the collective Norn Stone amps or something?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He was using his powers; Sentry overpowered him. Easily Bob's greatest feat ever and a bit PIS-y for my tastes, but whatever.You think Superman would endure the molecular manipulation that Owen couldn't? How does that even work? 😬
No one's ignoring anything? The context to Molecule Man's defeat is that Sentry had greater raw power than Owen, but he didn't have the finesse or skill that he did (which is why he made Owen fix everything). Molecule Man also killed him twice before he came back for good and overpowered him. Don't think Superman can do the same thing.
How does Superman, without any amp or plot device, beat Voidtry? Are you suggesting he's more powerful than Thor + the Avengers + the collective Norn Stone amps or something?
Originally posted by Diesldude
How invulnerable is MM if he doesn't use his powers?That's the being Sentry manipulated, i don't think it works on superman.
So why do we bring up context behind Thor killing Sentry and then completely ignore it when Sentry killed MM?
Originally posted by Diesldude
How does that matter when Owen very clearly was using his powers and was simply overpowered by Sentry at his own game?
Unless you're arguing that Owen, sans powers, is just a normal human, therefore Sentry beating him isn't very impressive and Superman would resist such an attack, which would be a bad leap in logic.
In any case, that still doesn't answer how does Superman beat Voidtry and whether or not you think he could replicate the same success or do better than the Avengers did in Siege by himself without amps?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does that matter when Owen very clearly was using his powers and was simply overpowered by Sentry at his own game?Unless you're arguing that Owen, sans powers, is just a normal human, therefore Sentry beating him isn't very impressive and Superman would resist such an attack, which would be a bad leap in logic.
In any case, that still doesn't answer how does Superman beat Voidtry and whether or not you think he could replicate the same success or do better than the Avengers did in Siege by himself without amps?
The only reason he can't is because of his weakness to magic and superman won't kill.
IIRC Owens stopped fighthing at some point.
Originally posted by Diesldude
The only reason he can't is because of his weakness to magic and superman won't kill.IIRC Owens stopped fighthing at some point.
What does that have to do with anything? Voidtry employs no magic whatsoever for Superman to concern himself with and Superman not being willing to kill has no bearing on his power level. Even if Superman was willing to kill, how would he do it to Voidtry under his own power?
No, Owen couldn't fight. Big difference. Sentry, for whatever reason, overpowered Owen and forced him to fix things before presumably killing him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does that have to do with anything? Voidtry employs no magic whatsoever for Superman to concern himself with and Superman not being willing to kill has no bearing on his power level. Even if Superman was willing to kill, how would he do it to Voidtry under his own power?No, Owen couldn't fight. Big difference. Sentry, for whatever reason, overpowered Owen and forced him to fix things before presumably killing him.
I'll have to re-read the fight with Sentry's fight against owen to confirm. But that has no bearing with superman vs owen. Sentry can't put superman down. Superman gives him beating he won't want to return from.
So basically you have his one feat of him beating owen to base your argument on?
Originally posted by SamZEDJake asked that too but I responded to an earlier question when he asked...
You misunderstood, He asked you if you believe that Superman by himself can do better against Voidtry than amped Thor and avengers did against Voidtry. Not how he fares against the team.
On the iphone can't bother to quote properly sorry... Also it's not like they all gang attacked him at once, he had a team behind him as well. When Thor killed him, it wasn't Thor with Loki using the norm stones and combining their magic FTW. Basically he had all these showings where he was stoppable, hell he burned himself into Bob going all out vs wwh but we are to instead use his highest feat which was admittedly pis related?
Originally posted by carver9That's why you went back to round one to try a different angle? Sorry carver it doesn't work that way. Btw, who was I lowballing? Sentry or wwh?
Both of what was mentioned between me and him wasn't accurate. I'm off for the night...I feel like I achieved a victory so I see no need to debate further.
Nobody ever mentions one of the Voids earlier appearances when he was walking through the Avengers, X-Men, Strange, etc,,,barely even knowing they were there. They were seriously powerless against him. Once again, it took Bob to shut him down. Thor was seconds away from having his neck snapped too, during Seige, but of course the Void got distracted, saving Thor's life.
The whole helicarrier hurting the Void was stupid. The Void is a character that physical force seems to have no effect on. Earlier in the series, Ares dug his axe right into the side of Voidtry and Bob didnt even react to it. PIS makes for silly stories.
Superman has zero chance of winning this fight. He loses a million out of a million times.