There's context. Comparing Bob persona Sentry to the I-can-control-molecules Sentry is like comparing Supes to PC Supes. It's not his highest feats, he simply discovered new powers. And his strength and durability heavily depends on his mindset even more so than Clark's.
There's whiney Bob persona who is everyone's punching bag. This version gets dominated by Superman easilly.
Then there's confident Sentry persona. That's the guy who is strong enough to casually catch Terrax's axe and break it in two. An attack from the same guy who destroyed a planet. That Sentry overloaded Absorbing Man, casually ripped through Doom's shield, withstood dozen punches from WWH to the face etc etc. This Sentry can compete with Supes in strength/speed/durability department, possibly can take some wins out of 10.
Then there's Voidtry. Immortal ancient force powerful enough to rip gods apart, effortlessly break every bone in Hulk's body, beat MM at molecular manipulation, simultaneously fight all of Marvel earth's mightiest heroes and kick their asses without trying etc. That's the one Superman is supposed to beat here. Voidtry is just too much.
Originally posted by tkitna
Sentry Void took out Owen. Superman is a non-issue.
re read dark avengers in context, it's been proven Sentry defeated Molecule Man who wanted to lose, he didn't defeat a serious Molecule Man who powers dwarfs sky fathers, and his true self Evil Molecule Man would rage stomp the sh ** out of Sentry Void, period.
That being said, high end Sentry Void would destroyed Superman!!
Originally posted by SamZED
Owen wasn't Evil MM in that issue, true. But he didn't want to be taken apart by Sentry. He tried his best to resist him. And while it's not the same as besting the Evil MM it's still crazy impressive.
Owen wanted to be punished for what he did, he really didn't put up a fight, let's be real. Molecule Man one of the most powerful cube beings and beings through the universe didn't really put up much of a fight, still impressive for Sentry to defeat a passive MM, but a real all out MM now that would have been. Cube beings are above elder gods and sky fathers, it was PIS to make Sentry look good.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Sentry isn't stronger than Superman. Superman is stronger, faster and a way better fighter overall. You guys are using sentry's highest feat vs mm to give him a victory. He got burned out by wwh, got beat up by blue marvel and the hell carrier gives him nightmares.
So Superman doesn't get beaten? I can't stand post like this. When insulting a character, make sure you look at what both have went through before throwing things out there. For every lowball youve said about Sentry, someone can bring one up for Supes.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Sentry isn't stronger than Superman. Superman is stronger, faster and a way better fighter overall. You guys are using sentry's highest feat vs mm to give him a victory. He got burned out by wwh, got beat up by blue marvel and the hell carrier gives him nightmares.
You do realize that this very thread's OP calls specifically for Voidtry, right?
None of the feats posted here for Sentry come close to Superman's best, and I'm sure most people here already know what Superman's best are. The best speed feat I've ever seen for the Sentry was him taking care of a problem in Libya in a short (albeit undefined) amount of time. Superman's best speed feats will blow those away. There are speed feats for Superman's that are faster than teleporters. For all his hype, the Void Sentry went down fairly easily IMO, to a team of heroes whose only heavy hitter was Thor in all honesty. I've seen Superman do better against TEAMS of HERALDS. As far as Sentry, despite some people's beliefs, he does not possess the power of a million exploding suns as seen in WWH. And stalemating Galactus off panel (according to Spiderman, who probably was in no position to see what's going on anyway) isn't very impressive either, considering Thor has flat out beat Galactus before (once or twice, I'm not even sure). Could Superman have done it, you ask? IDK. How hungry was Galactus. What plot device was used? Superman has actually beaten more powerful enemies than the Big G. As for versatility, Superman can go intangible, he has energy absorption powers, his eye beams have produced greater effects than almost anything I've seen from the Sentry. And don't tell me Sentry can't die, because he can. If Superman makes him use all his energy up (which the Hulk did), then he reverts to Bob and Superman ends him in a picto-second.
Originally posted by carver9
So Superman doesn't get beaten? I can't stand post like this. When insulting a character, make sure you look at what both have went through before throwing things out there. For every lowball youve said about Sentry, someone can bring one up for Supes.
Yes, and usually it's you.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
None of the feats posted here for Sentry come close to Superman's best, and I'm sure most people here already know what Superman's best are. The best speed feat I've ever seen for the Sentry was him taking care of a problem in Libya in a short (albeit undefined) amount of time. Superman's best speed feats will blow those away. There are speed feats for Superman's that are faster than teleporters. For all his hype, the Void Sentry went down fairly easily IMO, to a team of heroes whose only heavy hitter was Thor in all honesty. I've seen Superman do better against TEAMS of HERALDS. As far as Sentry, despite some people's beliefs, he does not possess the power of a million exploding suns as seen in WWH. And stalemating Galactus off panel (according to Spiderman, who probably was in no position to see what's going on anyway) isn't very impressive either, considering Thor has flat out beat Galactus before (once or twice, I'm not even sure). Could Superman have done it, you ask? IDK. How hungry was Galactus. What plot device was used? Superman has actually beaten more powerful enemies than the Big G. As for versatility, Superman can go intangible, he has energy absorption powers, his eye beams have produced greater effects than almost anything I've seen from the Sentry. And don't tell me Sentry can't die, because he can. If Superman makes him use all his energy up (which the Hulk did), then he reverts to Bob and Superman ends him in a picto-second.
How does Superman beat Voidtry, though? Honestly?
He was beaten by, literally, magical plot device. Thor's hammer and lightning were doing superficial damage until he was amped. Most of your post is comparing Superman against standard-ish Sentry, who's not in this fight.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does Superman beat Voidtry, though? Honestly?He was beaten by, literally, magical plot device. Thor's hammer and lightning were doing superficial damage until he was amped. Most of your post is comparing Superman against standard-ish Sentry, who's not in this fight.
Well, there's not as many feats from Void to compare, so I'm kind of forced to use some Sentry feats and interpolate them. I personally don't put regular Sentry as more powerful than Superman, Thor or the Silver (the 3 who I see as the cream of the crop of high end heralds). I don't think we can say Thor's lightning was doing superficial damage to Void. If we say that, then we have to assume the hellicarrier one-shotted him. I think Thor softened up Sentry for the hellicarrier to finally take him down. Also, remember, even up till the end, Thor didn't want to kill the Void. Bob said "Kill me" and Thor said "no". He didn't want him dead. That's a fact. Sentry obviously had no compunction about killing, (Ares, Loki, etc.). Thor did.
And despite everyone claiming Void wanted to die, he was fighting back as Thor attacked him. And there's no evidence Void can lower his durability either, so even if he wanted to die (which I don't buy...at least not by the time Thor landed the killing blow), I doubt Spiderman, for example, could have finished him off like Thor did. Also, Thor had pretty much just gotten out of the fight of his life before fighting the Sentry (yeah, the norn stones refreshed him, but he still had to be feeling the effects of that fight).
Now you say I've been using Sentry feats for Void, which is true. But what speed feats does Void have? If I don't use Sentry, well, we can't really assume Void has a very high degree of superspeed at all. If that's the case, then Superman's speed advantage will be fatal to the Void.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Well, there's not as many feats from Void to compare, so I'm kind of forced to use some Sentry feats and interpolate them. I personally don't put regular Sentry as more powerful than Superman, Thor or the Silver (the 3 who I see as the cream of the crop of high end heralds). I don't think we can say Thor's lightning was doing superficial damage to Void. If we say that, then we have to assume the hellicarrier one-shotted him. I think Thor softened up Sentry for the hellicarrier to finally take him down. Even up till the end, Thor didn't want to kill the Void. Bob said "Kill me" and Thor said "no". He didn't want him dead. That's a fact. And despite everyone claiming Void wanted to die, he was fighting back as Thor attacked him. And there's no evidence Void can lower his durability either, so even if he wanted to die (which I don't buy...at least not by the time Thor landed the killing blow), I doubt Spiderman, for example, could have finished him off like Thor did. Also, Thor had pretty much just gotten out of the fight of his life before fighting the Sentry (yeah, the norn stones refreshed him, but he still had to be feeling the effects of that fight).Now you say I've been using Sentry feats for Void, which is true. But what speed feats does Void have? If I don't use Sentry, well, we can't really assume Void has a very high degree of superspeed at all. If that's the case, then Superman's speed advantage will be fatal to the Void.
I wouldn't put "regular" Sentry over Superman, either. But I would say that a mentally competent/in control Sentry would be in the high herald range with some trans level feats to boot (stopping Terrax's axe and breaking it, which, frankly is absurd; stalemating Genis in the Microverse).
Thor's lightning was doing superficial damage to Voidtry. When Thor charged at him and said he'd use all of his father's power to make him pay, all it really did was crack open his shell. Bob just stood there and took it, without offering up any resistance. Conversely, could Superman tank that? Even disregarding his aversion to magic, I have a whole hell of a lot of doubt that Superman could stand in one place and take an attack such as a pissed Thor's and no sell it. And on the flip side, I don't think a punch from Superman would have more of an effect on Voidtry, either.
The hellicarrier came into play after the Norn Stones, a key component to Void's defeat. Loki used the Norn Stones to amp Thor and the heroes to levels where even the meta and street levelers were able to hurt him. Norn Stones make the likes of Karnilla, about Loki level give or take, able to contend with Odin. They obviously had a huge effect as Void was actually in pain from the attacks and made it a point to kill Loki, ending the amp prematurely. It was only after that point that Thor's lightning was able to BFR Void and the hellicarrier explosion (which was, iirc, packed with high yield nuclear ordinance) caused enough of a shock to force Bob to come out. Personally, I don't think Superman, by himself, has the power equal to or greater than Norn Stones + Thor + the other Avengers + a hellicarier to achieve the same effects. And that's without factoring in Void's infinitendrils.
As far as speed goes, Void usually just floats there and no sells everything while going crazy. Sentry's speed seems to be FTL, but I couldn't quantify his greatest feat off the top of my head. In any case, I don't think speed is going to be as much of a factor here as Voidtry's ability to tank everything Superman can throw at him and molecular manipulation.
Originally posted by carver9So you finally admit that the sentry burning out while stalemating wwh is a low showing for him? 😂
So Superman doesn't get beaten? I can't stand post like this. When insulting a character, make sure you look at what both have went through before throwing things out there. For every lowball youve said about Sentry, someone can bring one up for Supes.