Batman (Nolan franchise) Versus Big Daddy (Kick-Ass)

Originally posted by Darth Martin
1.Wrong. She, for one, kills her enemies......quite brutally too if I might add. She is adept with any weapon Batman is. She effectively employed firearms, knives, staffs, explosives, and nightvision. She was shown to be an adept in-combat strategist. [B]She was atleast as good as Wesley Gibson with guns(bullet bending aside). Hell, she even employed stealth better than anytime Batman did onscreen. She also jumped farther than Batman could have hoped to.
2.Where exactly did I say it mattered?
3.Try this: compare Batman storming Lau's building in Hong Kong to Big Daddy's massacre of the thugs in that warehouse. IIRC, Big Daddy was moving quite faster.

None of which Batman should be ashamed for. Kick Ass' action involving Big Daddy and Hit Girl was more similar to Wanted and Watchmen, not the recent Batman pictures. It wasn't a down-to-earth realistic film. Neither were the abilities of Big Daddy and Hit Girl. [/B]

1. You're being suckered by the surprise package syndrome. If she was a grown male, you'd never be hyping her as much. Yes, and she used all that against fodder. When confronted with a real fighter, what happened? What is Batman? Fodder or a real fighter?

2. Where did I say you did?

3. As Robtard said, anyone can shoot people. It actuallyt takes far more skill to kill people or take them out WITH stealth, non-lethally.

Most scenes like Hit-Girl's involve pseudo-stealth. Stealth up until the first kill and then everything's a gunfight of Main Character Vs Fodder.

Batman actually takes out whole groups, often without the other thugs knowing anything has happened.

-AC

I think Bats stands a better chance in this fight if he had his Begins suit for more durability. Although TDK suit makes him a lot faster/stealthier, I don't think that counts for that much against Big Daddy who seemed about as fast as him. Plus TDK suit got (briefly) overtaken by dogs. I don't see that happening to Big Daddy.

If I remember, the dogs thing was more down to a design flaw in the armour, which he then altered.

I don't think it was a matter of the dogs biting through the suit.

If it can stop a knife and anything but direct bullets, why would dogs pierce the actual armour?

-AC

I'm not ignoring anything. I said compare the speeds at which they were moving in each of there respective scenes. Big Daddy is faster. Batman isn't all that fast. Bourne is better.

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Originally posted by Prime#
I think Bats stands a better chance in this fight if he had his Begins suit for more durability. Although TDK suit makes him a lot faster/stealthier, I don't think that counts for that much against Big Daddy who seemed about as fast as him. Plus TDK suit got (briefly) overtaken by dogs. I don't see that happening to Big Daddy.

Considering Batman relies on avoiding bullets instead of standing there and letting his armor deflect them, not sure that's a plus towards Big Daddy in this fight, considering he mainly kills with guns.

Oh please, man.

Most of that is jump cuts, not speed. It's the style of filming, not the man. He's essentially just walking around the warehouse while fodder-in-suits shoot at his body armour.

All of those men and not one of them had the sense to go for a headshot, and don't act like they couldn't have because there was plenty of opportunity to.

Additionally, those weren't hard shots to make. They were all close to him.

-AC

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm not ignoring anything. I said compare the speeds at which they were moving in each of there respective scenes. Big Daddy is faster. Batman isn't all that fast. Bourne is better.

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Faster because the camera is speed up for a second during each attack. (Great scene though)

Even then, that wasn't all that much faster than the fight in Begins at the docks when Batman jumps into the middle of a group of armed thugs. Or in TDK, when he's in the nightclub.

edit: AC addressed the camera-magic above.

Furthermore, the blonde that he grabs has enough time to get up close, raise his gun and fire a point blank shot. Why does he fire into his chest where he has been, clearly, resisting the bullets?

He could have got a headshot in.

Either way, that scene doesn't prove anything.

-AC

Admittedly, Big Daddy is not as fast in that clip as I remember it.

Also, cannot remember much of Begins, was Batman more impressive in it than TDK?

Batman already took out a few gun-sporting Batman wannabe's in the beginning of TDK, so this fight technically already happened.

Batman 1 Batman Wannabe's 0 /end thread

Hey nao, they were out of shape and not aiming to fight Batman dood.

Fair enough. Some of that speed is him though. Not all of it is "jump cuts". Check his strength when he kicks and throws them. He hits harder than Batman.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, cannot remember much of Begins, was Batman more impressive in it than TDK?

Originally posted by Robtard
Batman already took out a few gun-sporting Batman wannabe's in the beginning of TDK, so this fight technically already happened. Batman 1 Batman Wannabe's 0 /end thread

Was humor.

I wonder if they had any actual sucess in Gotham. Did they delay any significant crimes and whatnot?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Admittedly, Big Daddy is not as fast in that clip as I remember it.

Also, cannot remember much of Begins, was Batman more impressive in it than TDK?

Better in Dark Knight IMO. His skirmish with the SWAT team & Joker's henchmen in a skyscraper was probably better than his fights in Batman Begins.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Fair enough. Some of that speed is him though. Not all of it is "jump cuts". Check his strength when he kicks and throws them. He hits harder than Batman.

No. In that particular scene he was rediculously fast though.

Your placing Big Daddy on par with the fake Batmen?

Higher strength isn't always necessary to take down someone in a CQC fight, which Batman has the advantage in IMO.

Also, while Nolan-Batman may not be as intelligent as Batman is in the comics, he can fight smartly.

Its gonna be hard for BD to shot Batman when he only has 3 bullets (as said in the OP) given Batmans expertise in the area of not getting shot. Then again, fist versus knife if definately in knifes favour unless Bats gets creative with the batarang gauntlets.

Originally posted by Robtard
Was humor.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Fair enough. Some of that speed is him though. Not all of it is "jump cuts". Check his strength when he kicks and throws them. He hits harder than Batman.

He doesn't exhibit anything to suggest he's as much ahead of Batman regarding speed as you would have us believe. Not in the least.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If I remember, the dogs thing was more down to a design flaw in the armour, which he then altered.

I don't think it was a matter of the dogs biting through the suit.

If it can stop a knife and anything but direct bullets, why would dogs pierce the actual armour?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He doesn't exhibit anything to suggest he's as much ahead of Batman regarding speed as you would have us believe. Not in the least.