Originally posted by quanchi112
Because either beat WW or Superman.
at first i thought it was without their hammers. that would have really tipped the scales over to team 2. but even with their hammers team 2 still wins. Wondy is superior to all 3 in melee when it comes to skill. i would think Thor is second. even if she is considered by many the least strongest of the 4, she is not that far apart from them. wondy is still considered a peer. plus team 2 should have the speed advantage even with team one's hammers available.
team 2 wins
6.5/10
Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm Thor and Beta Ray Bill have their hammers 😐
I figured "pure melee fight" meant strictly H2H as far as this thread goes.
With Mjolnir and Stormbreaker in play, Team One should win, imo. They'll play hell trying to get through Diana's defenses especially if she still has the Aegis bracelets, but Superman is going to get hit eventually by at least one of the enchanted weapons. And his magic vulnerability/disadvantages against magic (compared to everyone else present) coupled with the striking power either Thor or BRB can unleash give them the hard earned win.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17So? She is less durable and the weakest of all three. She goes down quickly when they start bashing into her head and the same goes for Superman though it will definitely take a longer time than against WW.
at first i thought it was without their hammers. that would have really tipped the scales over to team 2. but even with their hammers team 2 still wins. Wondy is superior to all 3 in melee when it comes to skill. i would think Thor is second. even if she is considered by many the least strongest of the 4, she is not that far apart from them. wondy is still considered a peer. plus team 2 should have the speed advantage even with team one's hammers available.team 2 wins
6.5/10
Originally posted by Starscream M
which team am I neutering more?
The DC one.
Originally posted by Newjak
I wouldn't one side gets neutered more than the other cause I'm guessing if the Hammer boys get to keep their weapons then so Wonder Woman.
but she can't use her lasso or tiara. and superman can't use ranged attacks.
Originally posted by cdtm
Bill survived Galactus trying to squash him like a bug, along with wrestling with Stardust barehanded with cosmic energy all over his body.And Stardust may be one of the weaker heralds, but even the weakest herald can bust planets. That's something Superman and WW can't do with their bare hands..
Superman, I'd wager could. Diana? Probably not.
Team two for the win. Superman and Wonder Woman are superior to Thor and Beta Ray Bill. In my honest opinion, both Clark and Diana are physically stronger than the hammer brothers. Thor and BRB are far more versatile, but given Diana's weapons and Superman's awesomeness they are by far the better duo. People also tend to forget that Diana has tanked nukes, blows etc without using her vambraces..
Originally posted by quanchi112
So? She is less durable and the weakest of all three. She goes down quickly when they start bashing into her head and the same goes for Superman though it will definitely take a longer time than against WW.
how can they easily bash her head when she will most likely deflect or dodge many of those attempts? you may say they have the ability to deal with her speed, but you have to couple her speed with her superior fighting ability. plus i'm pretty sure she has her aegis bracelets along with her. she would be able to deflect a bunch of hammer shots. unless im wrong, when it comes to superman they can't lace their hammer shots with mystic lightning. i dont think that's allowed in this fight. gotta wait for the OP to clarify that. if i'm correct, the magic weakness of supes is out the door.
Pure melee means the hammer twins lose lightning and godblasts, Superman loses heat vision and freeze breath, and Diana... isn't allowed to throw her tiara any more but can still use it in close 🙂 Also she can't use the Aegis bracer's new shock function. She's easily the least-gimmed of the four.
quanchi112
So? She is less durable and the weakest of all three.
Her impact durability is in the same class as Superman's, and her strength is pretty close to his too.
You downplay WW a lot but she's pretty darn powerful and tough. What slight disadvantages she has are easily made up for by her advantages.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mjolnir and Stormbreaker are inherently magic, though. Even without charging the weapons with mystical energies, it's still enchanted by skyfather lvl magic.
that still lessens the effect on Supes dont you think? a mystic lightning based hammer shot on Supes is way more damaging to him than a regular one. plus even though Supes may be less invulnerable to magic, his overall invulnerability is just so high that i don't think it will give him that much of a disadvantage fighting Thor or BRB. the bottom line for me is I think team 1 is more neutered than team 2. this is because Thor is almost always portrayed jumping into battle by flailing his hammer everywhere. it is only when he really gets serious that his open powerset comes out. weather manip, mystic lightning, godblast, etc. etc. when it comes to a melee fight, that is where team 2 really excels. you just gotta give them the slight nod. when it comes to strength and durability, it's almost a wash. team 2 wins cause they have the speed advantage.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
that still lessens the effect on Supes dont you think? a mystic lightning based hammer shot on Supes is way more damaging to him than a regular one. plus even though Supes may be less invulnerable to magic, his overall invulnerability is just so high that i don't think it will give him that much of a disadvantage fighting Thor or BRB. the bottom line for me is I think team 1 is more neutered than team 2. this is because Thor is almost always portrayed jumping into battle by flailing his hammer everywhere. it is only when he really gets serious that his open powerset comes out. weather manip, mystic lightning, godblast, etc. etc. when it comes to a melee fight, that is where team 2 really excels. you just gotta give them the slight nod. when it comes to strength and durability, it's almost a wash. team 2 wins cause they have the speed advantage.
Good points, but the striking power of Thor w/ Mjolnir and BRB w/ Stormbreaker are pretty insane. Granted, Superman's fists and Diana's are powerful as well, but when you take people that are already in their class strength wise, and give them a melee weapon which further increases that striking power, things get a bit murky. I think Superman will be able to dodge and press his speed advantage for only so long until he ends up getting tagged by one of the hammers, which will effect him greater than his fist would effect either Thor or BRB.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Good points, but the striking power of Thor w/ Mjolnir and BRB w/ Stormbreaker are pretty insane. Granted, Superman's fists and Diana's are powerful as well, but when you take people that are already in their class strength wise, and give them a melee weapon which further increases that striking power, things get a bit murky. I think Superman will be able to dodge and press his speed advantage for only so long until he ends up getting tagged by one of the hammers, which will effect him greater than his fist would effect either Thor or BRB.
fine fine... >=/
ill change my 6.5/10
team 2 still wins though
5.8/10
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Originally posted by JakeTheBankmelee doesn't have any connotation to anything other than CQC. knives, bats, etc is allowed, just no firearms and the like. "pure" ..... i guess they have to clarify themselves in lake minnatonka first or something ... *shrugs*
I figured "melee fight" meant strictly H2H as far as this thread goes.