JLA free for all
So a fight broke out amongst the members of the original JLA. Who do you think will first be that last two standing and out of those two, who do you think will come off the victor.
Superman
Batman (already with knowledge on how to each of them down b/c he knew a day like this was coming.
Flash
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Batman, if he knew they were all coming. He's already figured out how to take them all down. Kryptonite against Superman, Vibrating bullet against Flash, Fire against Martian Manhunter, and probably any number of things against Wonder Woman.
Then again, I would imagine in a free for all situation they would all know to take him down first. When Hal Jordan took down the Justice League, it made it clear that Batman would be the most dangerous .
So like Batman is fully prepped before he goes into the arena? At starting distances from eachother. There is no way batman is going to do shit to anyone. Also if everyone is going to attack batman 1st well Supes or MM just frys batman's ass with a look.
IMO MM wins a battle royal. Possibly Flash to.
and probably any number of things against Wonder Woman.
Quite frankly, his method against WW in Tower of Babel sucked. I think it was easily the worst method of the lot.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
MM shuts everyones minds down takes the win then forces them to bring him the worlds largest oreo's and glas of milk
'Cept for WW, who's safe from that.
I would think Diana'd have a good chance, since she's a bit less obvious of a gang-up target than Superman, quite good at taking out multiple foes at once, and has no easy KO method.
I wouldn't think any two would consistently get to the finals. Sometimes it'd be Clark and Di, other times one of those two and J'onn, sometimes it'd be Bruce and someone else... which is one of the nice things about the JLA. They're such a balanced team.
As a side note, I think Flash is the only one of these five who hasn't taken out the rest of the league solo. He's a slacker 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
Quite frankly, his method against WW in Tower of Babel sucked. I think it was easily the worst method of the lot.
I liked it because it highlighted something about the character of Wonder Woman herself, rather than just about her powers. They all did, which in some ways was a weakness of the logic -- Batman created ways to exploit weaknesses in the PYSCHOLOGIES of the characters rather than their powers, which would have been useless or much less effective in the case of possession or mind control or just turning evil. Red Kryptonite is nice, but if it makes Superman far more powerful and he's evil/mind controlled/possessed, he's going to do far more damage. Only a good Superman would do everything in his power to restrain himself, and what is the point of taking down a good Superman?
It would have been good had the plans been thought up by a VILLAIN, but not Batman.
But again, in terms of pure character exposition, I liked the statement it made about Diana.
'Cept for WW, who's safe from that.
No, she's only demonstrated that kind of telepathic immunity from Max Lord and Dr. Psycho. She's been messed with by a number of telepaths, including the Shark and J'onn Jonnz/Fernus.
Superman has a similarly variable resistance to telepathy -- at times he's resisting Eon and Brainiac, at other he's getting controlled by Nudge.
As a side note, I think Flash is the only one of these five who hasn't taken out the rest of the league solo. He's a slacker 🙂
Guy took out the Anti Monitor solo, so I think he's done his part. 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
'Cept for WW, who's safe from that.I would think Diana'd have a good chance, since she's a bit less obvious of a gang-up target than Superman, quite good at taking out multiple foes at once, and has no easy KO method.
ok let assume that Wonder Women could not be taken by his telepathy then in terms of power im very certain that MM would beat her in a straight out fight because IMO MM has far more raw power then her...(not dissing WW because i believe she is very strong...i just believe him to be stronger....possibly even more so then Superman)
Originally posted by Desaad
Guy took out the Anti Monitor solo, so I think he's done his part. 🙂
batman knocked guy on his but sooooo...batman's>>>>>>then the Aniti Monitor lmao! i was joking...
........maybe
Desaad
I liked it because it highlighted something about the character of Wonder Woman herself, rather than just about her powers.
It was psychologically interesting, but in terms of effectiveness, I'm not sure if it'd ever work in actually stopping her. Just how long was it expecting to make her fight in the mental construct to have a heart attack? Endurance of Gaia and a healing factor! Plus it required getting a projectile hit, and she has a better record against those than Flash even.
Eventually the thing would run out of batteries before she was actually killed, I'd figure.
No, she's only demonstrated that kind of telepathic immunity from Max Lord and Dr. Psycho. She's been messed with by a number of telepaths, including the Shark and J'onn Jonnz/Fernus.
She's had an anti-telepathy upgrade since Fernus, plus Fernus has a lot more power than normal J'onn and caught her when she wasn't using her lasso which can be used to break even really really powerful telepaths. If she wraps herself in it, she's pretty darn set.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ok let assume that Wonder Women could not be taken by his telepathy then in terms of power im very certain that MM would beat her in a straight out fight because IMO MM has far more raw power then her...(not dissing WW because i believe she is very strong...i just believe him to be stronger....possibly even more so then Superman)
WW's been called the second-strongest in the league. J'onn's at most tied, but at one point Batman said only Superman could stop a rogue Diana... and he said this with J'onn in the room.
He can use his shapeshifting to amp his strength (bigger arms, more muscles), granted, and temporarily become stronger, but MM has generally been shown to have less endurance than Clark and Di and I think Wonder Woman would take him a solid majority.
Originally posted by Desaad
I liked it because it highlighted something about the character of Wonder Woman herself, rather than just about her powers. They all did, which in some ways was a weakness of the logic -- Batman created ways to exploit weaknesses in the PYSCHOLOGIES of the characters rather than their powers, which would have been useless or much less effective in the case of possession or mind control or just turning evil. Red Kryptonite is nice, but if it makes Superman far more powerful and he's evil/mind controlled/possessed, he's going to do far more damage. Only a good Superman would do everything in his power to restrain himself, and what is the point of taking down a good Superman?It would have been good had the plans been thought up by a VILLAIN, but not Batman.
But again, in terms of pure character exposition, I liked the statement it made about Diana.
No, she's only demonstrated that kind of telepathic immunity from Max Lord and Dr. Psycho. She's been messed with by a number of telepaths, including the Shark and J'onn Jonnz/Fernus.
Superman has a similarly variable resistance to telepathy -- at times he's resisting Eon and Brainiac, at other he's getting controlled by Nudge.
Guy took out the Anti Monitor solo, so I think he's done his part. 🙂
Diana has been consistently shown immune to telepathy since her Eye of Pallas upgrade.
Originally posted by Q99
WW's been called the second-strongest in the league. J'onn's at most tied, but at one point Batman said only Superman could stop a rogue Diana... and he said this with J'onn in the room.He can use his shapeshifting to amp his strength (bigger arms, more muscles), granted, and temporarily become stronger, but MM has generally been shown to have less endurance than Clark and Di and I think Wonder Woman would take him a solid majority.
so a guy that can become essentially "untouchable" has less endurance?.....
lol that was kinda a joke kinda not.....
i honestly think he could take her......i mean lets say he puts his hand through her chest and pulls out her heart.....then what....could she handle that? and thats not me being a jerk im seriously asking that.....
This team is too well balanced. Anyone of them could come out on tops. There are scenarios where each could defeat the other. So many in fact, that I really couldn't pick one person.
What I will say is that I think there would be some patterns. As Q99 said, I think Superman is the most likely to face a double or triple team. I also think that Diana would go after Bruce first, more often than not. I think he might be inclined to do the same to her as well.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
so a guy that can become essentially "untouchable" has less endurance?.....
Yes. Note how whenever he busts out all his powers in a row, he's often tired after he's finished (like the JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare where he psychic blasts a whole rival team. He's exhausted after).
When he's going in for a long fight, though, he mostly sticks to the physical.
So it's often a case of "he can fight like a brick and keep going for awhile, or he can burn his strength by using all his extra powers where he better win fast or he'll be in trouble." Which makes him more versatile, but that is as far as I can tell why he doesn't dominate compared to the other bricks.
i honestly think he could take her......i mean lets say he puts his hand through her chest and pulls out her heart.....then what....could she handle that? and thats not me being a jerk im seriously asking that.....
I've never seen him do that kind of thing with his phasing. Pass through someone, sure, but his phasing is more often than not full body.
Also in Diana's case, her lasso has snagged intangible people before.