Bayonetta is faster but her intangibility is canceled with the Hilbert Effect. KOS-MOS at full power puts her at cosmic level. All her feats when she had blue eyes are only scratching the surface of what she can do. Her Phase Transfer Cannon is capable of phasing stars (of course this never happens since later PTCs can control their blast radius as seen with T'ELOS.
The only way Bayonetta wins is if Hope Kratos and some other powerful character distracted her while Queen Sheva gets summoned. Even with those circumstances, KOS-MOS would probably stop the summon before it happens.
Originally posted by Keollyn
There's no cosmic level KOS-MOS.KOS-MOS is high tier at best.
Mary Magdalene, whose body is T'elos and will in KOS-MOS, is a cosmic being. When her will was awakened during Episode 1, she absorbed an entire Gnosis fleet and protected a ship from burning in atmosphere entry. At the end of Episode 3, she, chaos, and Nephilim prevented the destruction of the universe.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Mary Magdalene, whose body is T'elos and will in KOS-MOS, is a cosmic being. When her will was awakened during Episode 1, she absorbed an entire Gnosis fleet and protected a ship from burning in atmosphere entry. At the end of Episode 3, she, chaos, and Nephilim prevented the destruction of the universe.
KOS-MOS had nothing to do with preventing the destruction of the unvierse.
She had, in fact, had her self destructed by a Gnosis.
The two previous feats wouldn't make her cosmic level. In fact, re-entry was done by Bayo and she had no outside aid (KOS-MOS needed chaos help in order to stop disintegrating)
Absorbing salt (pretty much what Gnosis are) isn't all that impressive.
Originally posted by Keollyn
KOS-MOS had nothing to do with preventing the destruction of the unvierse.
You're right; it was Mary who is KOS-MOS when she has blue eyes.
She had, in fact, had her self destructed by a Gnosis.
Notice she had red eyes?
The two previous feats wouldn't make her cosmic level. In fact, re-entry was done by Bayo and she had no outside aid (KOS-MOS needed chaos help in order to stop disintegrating)
chaos was awakening Mary's Will. It was KOS-MOS who made the barrier and it was not to protect herself (as she survived but had her head piece burnt off.
Absorbing salt (pretty much what Gnosis are) isn't all that impressive.
You act is if the Gnosis are barely a threat. It is impressive especially since they're the deadliest threat to humans in Xenosaga. Just having their touch can kill or turn one into a Gnosis.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
You're right; it was Mary who is KOS-MOS when she has blue eyes.
And Mary doesn't up her to cosmic level. She's went blue eyes several times before.
and chaos/Nephilim were the main grunt for the protection of the universe--especially when chaos was the failsafe to begin with
Notice she had red eyes?
And blue eyes does what for her durability?
chaos was awakening Mary's Will. It was KOS-MOS who made the barrier and it was not to protect herself (as she survived but had her head piece burnt off.
Which is what I said. She couldn't do it without outside help.
Bayo did that same feat (barring the protection of a ship) without any aid.
And she wasn't disintegrating at all.
You act is if the Gnosis are barely a threat. It is impressive especially since they're the deadliest threat to humans in Xenosaga. Just having their touch can kill or turn one into a Gnosis.
They're a threat because their imaginary bodies make it hard to combat them. Once pulled into the physical realm, they have trouble in the humans.
Originally posted by Keollyn
And Mary doesn't up her to cosmic level. She's went blue eyes several times before.
KOS-MOS was able to beat T'ELOS with Mary's will awakened. She even absorbs her and becomes complete.
and chaos/Nephilim were the main grunt for the protection of the universe--especially when chaos was the failsafe to begin with
Mary gave her power to Nephilim.
And blue eyes does what for her durability?
It makes KOS-MOS much more powerful than she is when red-eyed. Notice Kevin is the only Testament who is defeated? There were no blue eyes when Voyager and Virgil were around.
Which is what I said. She couldn't do it without outside help.Bayo did that same feat (barring the protection of a ship) without any aid.
Mary's will wasn't even fully awakened then. It was just for a brief moment in Episode 1.
And she wasn't disintegrating at all.
Neither was KOS-MOS and this was a weaker model from those in Ep. 2 & 3.
They're a threat because their imaginary bodies make it hard to combat them. Once pulled into the physical realm, they have trouble in the humans.
Even when hit with the Hilbert Effect, they're still threats.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
KOS-MOS was able to beat T'ELOS with Mary's will awakened. She even absorbs her and becomes complete.
Which still doesn't show a jump from a high-end brick to cosmic level.
She has literally no feats of cosmic level.
Mary gave her power to Nephilim.
And it wasn't even all that was needed to stop the problem. chaos is the failsafe.
It makes KOS-MOS much more powerful than she is when red-eyed. Notice Kevin is the only Testament who is defeated? There were no blue eyes when Voyager and Virgil were around.
Kevin is also the only testament that loves Shion and the only one I recall that betrayed in the end
Mary's will wasn't even fully awakened then. It was just for a brief moment in Episode 1.
Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that chaos awoken Mary in that scene?
Neither was KOS-MOS and this was a weaker model from those in Ep. 2 & 3.
No, she was disintegrating.
And you was speaking of this KOS-MOS specifically when you mentioned that feat. Which I'm adding doesn't trump Bayo's one where she didn't even feel bothered by it--she was even fighting while it was happening.
Even when hit with the Hilbert Effect, they're still threats.
Marginally less so. I mean, their number one specialty--turning people into Gnosis and phasing--disappears.
Originally posted by Keollyn
Which still doesn't show a jump from a high-end brick to cosmic level.She has literally no feats of cosmic level.
She absorbed an entire Gnosis fleet, caused cosmic destruction in an alternate future when colliding with U-DO (red-eyed KOS-MOS), Mary's Will prevented the destruction of the universe with the help of chaos and Nephilim.
And it wasn't even all that was needed to stop the problem. chaos is the failsafe.
chaos couldn't do it alone. His name and purpose suggest that he's about destruction. Mary who dwells in KOS-MOS (cosmos) was made to keep things balanced.
Kevin is also the only testament that loves Shion and the only one I recall that betrayed in the end
He's still the only one who gets beat.
Wait, how did you come to the conclusion that chaos awoken Mary in that scene?
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No, she was disintegrating.
Her body isn't even burnt. The only loss was the Hilbert Effect visor.
And you was speaking of this KOS-MOS specifically when you mentioned that feat. Which I'm adding doesn't trump Bayo's one where she didn't even feel bothered by it--she was even fighting while it was happening.
KOS-MOS would have survived the atmosphere entry. Everyone aboard the Elsa (except maybe chaos) wouldn't survive it.
Marginally less so. I mean, their number one specialty--turning people into Gnosis and phasing--disappears.
They can still turn people into Gnosis or salt.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
She absorbed an entire Gnosis fleet, caused cosmic destruction in an alternate future when colliding with U-DO (red-eyed KOS-MOS), Mary's Will prevented the destruction of the universe with the help of chaos and Nephilim.
First thing, Mary aided in it. It was chaos primarily. Stop acting like Mary had a big hand in anything there.
Absorbing the Gnosis doesn't make anything cosmic about here.
Alternate future... you just didn't use a non-existent timeline as a feat?
chaos couldn't do it alone. His name and purpose suggest that he's about destruction. Mary who dwells in KOS-MOS (cosmos) was made to keep things balanced.
Yet was not the facilitator of the stopping. Wilheim and chaos are counterbalances.
He's still the only one who gets beat.
Ignore that why don't ya,
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The game would have been better.
Her body isn't even burnt. The only loss was the Hilbert Effect visor.
Nice how you posted a scene after the fact.
Her body was disintegrating during the scene.
KOS-MOS would have survived the atmosphere entry. Everyone aboard the Elsa (except maybe chaos) wouldn't survive it.
Not worried about survival. But she was worse for wear. Nothing close to the casualness that Bayo showed.
They can still turn people into Gnosis or salt.
Umm, yes, I know.