Originally posted by MindsetThat really isn't the point. Not only that, the content of the books from the video suggest it's less about "teaching adults how to kidnap, ass rape (plus whatever else was said)" and more about him disagreeing that it's wrong.
Actually, a book about raping kids was published in Australia.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
A bullshit answer? I was using the example he set to make my point. My point is that books shouldnt be held accountable for what people use and take from them.Literature is an art form, to ban it is a disgrace no mattter how many lobby for it.
Despite the subject of any giving book being specific? Very odd. By those same grounds, only the user is accountable and the maker/publisher/creator can NEVER be held accountable, no matter what they produce. Company makes a rape-kit and instructions on how to best do it, sorry, not accountable; it's solely Jimmy's fault for buying and using it, solely. It's not so black and white always, dude.
"Literature is an art form" is too broad a term. On those same grounds, anything under the label of "art" shouldn't/couldn't be banned. Pictures of murdered people, child-pornography, animal-torture films etc. All "art".
Edit: For the record, I generally am against banning books and banning in general, but there's some things that are obviously not good to market. As far as Russia and Scientology, I can sympathize with them here, they saw it for what it is, a Pyramid Scam, they don't need that.
Originally posted by Bardock42In the weed thread I actually said that I didn't care and that I wouldn't vote on it.
I'm against banning books for the same reasons I'm against banning pot. Though I can understand where Spooony is coming from, since he is still convinced that pot is harmful or evil or something.
I don't think it's evil, but I do think that it's harmful. Maybe not by the actual drug being harmful but the culture that surrounds it. (And I don't mean physically harmful because, well, that just doesn't happen from weed.)
Anyway... I consider my view on it a closed issue so let's not send this thread off topic.
Originally posted by RobtardJust listen to what your saying... And tell me if they are the same.
Despite the subject of any giving book being specific? Very odd. By those same grounds, only the user is accountable and the maker/publisher/creator can NEVER be held accountable, no matter what they produce. Company makes a rape-kit and instructions on how to best do it, sorry, not accountable; it's solely Jimmy's fault for buying and using it, solely. It's not so black and white always, dude."Literature is an art form" is too broad a term. On those same grounds, anything under the label of "art" shouldn't/couldn't be banned. Pictures of murdered people, child-pornography, animal-torture films etc. All "art".
The things you mentioned in the second paragraph all actually effected people in their creation, a highly illegal activity had to be performed for them to exist. So not the same.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Just listen to what your saying... And tell me if they are the same.The things you mentioned in the second paragraph all actually effected people in their creation, a highly illegal activity had to be performed for them to exist. So not the same.
Pyramid Scams are illegal too. See my edit above for the point I am trying to make.
Originally posted by §P0oONYNo, it is the point.
That really isn't the point. Not only that, the content of the books from the video suggest it's less about "teaching adults how to kidnap, ass rape (plus whatever else was said)" and more about him disagreeing that it's wrong.
The content of the book is about raping kids.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Well, I don't think kidnapping and raping a child is very taxing so I don't think people are just thinking "I've always wanted to rape a child, if only there was a book that taught me how."A book like that isn't going to get published anyway, an I don't consider a bloke in his house printing and putting it on sheets of A4 putting staples through it as real publishing.
funny, I just started Lolita
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd think so, but legally, that might be harder. Not sure what Russia's exact angle was here.
but like, if they don't attacl the ponzi scheme aspect of the church, what is to stop them from just not using L Ron's work, why not have Cruise, Smith and Hayes write up some Russian Scientianity?
Originally posted by inimalist
but like, if they don't attacl the ponzi scheme aspect of the church, what is to stop them from just not using L Ron's work, why not have Cruise, Smith and Hayes write up some Russian Scientianity?
Again, not sure of the specifics or what they were thinking and why they targeted the books and not the cult.
My thoughts, they banned the books because of the scam issue; not because they think believing in the Overlord Xeno or L. Ron as all seeing prophet is detrimental to people in of itself, at least no more than believing God became flesh or some Arab flew into heaven on a winged horse.
Censorship should exist! If i ever see "How to Kidnap and molest children under 7 - Volume 2" on the shelf anywhere, im burning the building down that night.
Russia have the right idea, if a book has the potential to turn the stupid into slaves for a made up/lost cause then ban that *****. What responsible government would want material of bad influence floating around for its citizens to read and pollute there minds with? Yes Censorship should exist, but should also be monitered.
If they slapped a label on the front of the book in huge type saying "this scientology book contains no facts about the creation of the world or human life - it is a fictional account and should not be taken literally. anyone acting on any instructions given in this book, blah blah , insight a breech of peace..blah blah" Then they could let the book be printed.
An idiot sticker really, sorta like what Great Britain has done with Ciggarettes - big Bold Black on white Type "SMOKING KILLS".
Went through the full spectrum there.
I don't think that the Scientology texts penned by Hubbard should be banned. Sure, I think it's all a bit looney and have no interest in reading it... but it's not something that should be banned, per se. For example, I have a copy of 'Mein Kampf.' I don't adhere to Hitler's logic and I'm not anti-Semetic, but it's still interesting to read.
I could understand if, hypothetically, Scientology was single-handedly dismantling Russian culture... but it isn't, as far as I know.
'How To' books on the raping of small children, on the other hand... well, I suppose there are books about doing illicit things out there. As vile as it is, it probably should be allowed the same right as any other book. Personally, if I were in the position to do so, I'd ban it.
If the organization really does violate human rights, the individuals and organization should be dealt with through the legal system and made to stop under penalty of law.
Banning Scientology materials isn't good though, imo. Censorship rarely is. Stopping abhorrent practices and denying access to ideas are two very different things. Odd as it may seem, and as awful as the subject is, I don't think I'd censor the rape book either.
Originally posted by REXXXX
Went through the full spectrum there.I don't think that the Scientology texts penned by Hubbard should be banned. Sure, I think it's all a bit looney and have no interest in reading it... but it's not something that should be banned, per se. For example, I have a copy of 'Mein Kampf.' I don't adhere to Hitler's logic and I'm not anti-Semetic, but it's still interesting to read.
I could understand if, hypothetically, Scientology was single-handedly dismantling Russian culture... but it isn't, as far as I know.
'How To' books on the raping of small children, on the other hand... well, I suppose there are books about doing illicit things out there. As vile as it is, it probably should be allowed the same right as any other book. Personally, if I were in the position to do so, I'd ban it.
I agree with you. If Mein Kampf had been band and destroyed, then we could not read the book and understand how Hitler was wrong, and how to stop it in the future. Even the how to do evil books, tell us how these evil people think. That gives us a weapon against those kind of people.