Originally posted by Q99
Yea. Recently, Surfer has gone beyond his traditional high-herald level, to a level that still gets stomped because Monarch is not just a bit above High Herald, but quite significantly so.
LOL, good one.
Why do you think its a stomp? What did Monarch do to make you think this is a stomp?
Originally posted by carver9
LOL, good one.Why do you think its a stomp? What did Monarch do to make you think this is a stomp?
Well, let's see, he has the combined powers of 52 herald types (his alternates)... fought a full-power Prime, and when he was finally defeated, it blew up a universe. Literally.
Yea, I think he's got quite a few times the power of Surfer here.
Originally posted by kgkg
😂 I thought I was a Surfer fanboy.
I'm not a Surfer fanboy but I do know what he is capable of. If a guy can shoot blast that is strong enough to create large black holes that even made Thanos run, I feel pretty good saying that he can give Monarch a fight. Lets not even include the fact that he can take hits from Monarch since he has taken hit from beings FAR more powerful and kept fighting (tenebrous along with his partner for example).
Originally posted by Q99
Well, let's see, he has the combined powers of 52 herald types (his alternates)... fought a full-power Prime, and when he was finally defeated, it blew up a universe. Literally.Yea, I think he's got quite a few times the power of Surfer here.
I already said that if the suit rupture it is over.
He has the combine power of 52 beings that we have no type of indication on how powerful they were/are. Yeah, he fought Prime, they really didnt do much but he stood his own. So are you saying that Prime can take Surfer out in one panel or something?
Originally posted by carver9It was stated they all had Captain Atom's powers. Do you have evidence that the other 51 Captain Atom's were in some way inferior? If not, then it's just conjecture on your part based on a false assumption. Just because they are from alternate Universes does not mean weaker, inferior, less powerful, etc. By your logic, some could be much more powerful than Captain Atom. So using your logic, "He has the combined power of 52 beings that we have no type of indication on how powerful they were/are.", there could be less powerful versions and more powerful versions. Which makes it a wash. Using most other posters' logic, all 52 Captain Atom's were close to to each other in overall power. Which makes it a wash. Either way, Monarch is carrying the power levels of 52 Captain Atoms.
I already said that if the suit rupture it is over.He has the combine power of 52 beings that we have no type of indication on how powerful they were/are. Yeah, he fought Prime, they really didnt do much but he stood his own. So are you saying that Prime can take Surfer out in one panel or something?
You consistently try to cast some sort of doubt on DC players using an extraordinary assumption which is based off some sort of logic skewed by Marvel bias. How about debating using what was shown? Monarch was casually slapping around multiple DC heralds. Period. The suit tear at the end of the arc showed he had galaxy, if not universe, destructive powers. You think Surfer can make it a fight, cool. Then debate using actual Surfer/Monarch feats and not this hollow conjecture in which you try to cast some doubt.
Do I really have to get PR in here? sneer
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Also to add to Badas post the three Supermen Monarch fought were legit the Nazi dude statelmated mainstream Superman and Chris Kent pwned them both making him above them. Also Monarch stomped a mudhole in amped Chris Kents face. Monarch is well above heralds he's a legit high level skyfather this is spite I give Bada permission to close this abomination 🙂
Originally posted by Badabing
It was stated they all had Captain Atom's powers. Do you have evidence that the other 51 Captain Atom's were in some way inferior? If not, then it's just conjecture on your part based on a false assumption. Just because they are from alternate Universes does not mean weaker, inferior, less powerful, etc. By your logic, some could be much more powerful than Captain Atom. So using your logic, "He has the combined power of 52 beings that we have no type of indication on how powerful they were/are.", there could be less powerful versions and more powerful versions. Which makes it a wash. Using most other posters' logic, all 52 Captain Atom's were close to to each other in overall power. Which makes it a wash. Either way, Monarch is carrying the power levels of 52 Captain Atoms.You consistently try to cast some sort of doubt on DC players using an extraordinary assumption which is based off some sort of logic skewed by Marvel bias. How about debating using what was shown? Monarch was casually slapping around multiple DC heralds. Period. The suit tear at the end of the arc showed he had galaxy, if not universe, destructive powers. You think Surfer can make it a fight, cool. Then debate using actual Surfer/Monarch feats and not this hollow conjecture in which you try to cast some doubt.
Do I really have to get PR in here? sneer
biscuits
LOL, I'm not downplaying DC, I said Monarch wins 8/10 but I just dont see it being as easy as people are assuming. I use to agree with the alternate reality thing that you just mentioned until I got ripped up using it in a debate for King Hyperion who defeated two earth universes full of beings that were listed as the same beings on main stream Marvel.
Please dont get PR. As soon as he come in here, I'm signing offline.