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Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by kgkg
How is that possible big boy?
DC does not have power over other comic books. It’s impossible to be beyond your own publication if you don’t own other mediums as well.
No matter how a fictional character is portrayed it can never be greater than the medium it is portrayed in.

Take it up with Grant Morrison. *shrug*

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Take it up with Grant Morrison. *shrug*

What did he say?

PM was portrayed as entity much greater than the DCU but PM is still a DCU character so his influence is restrained within it.

Kinda like how Pre-Rec Beyonder was portrayed was greater than MU.

The same rule holds from the TOAA he can't be above the Marvel medium because its' impossible.

Tattoos N Scars Modern Day Drifter

Originally posted by kgkg
How is that possible big boy?
DC does not have power over other comic books. It’s impossible to be beyond your own publication if you don’t own other mediums as well.
No matter how a fictional character is portrayed it can never be greater than the medium it is portrayed in.

Wasn't that the reason the Beyonder was retconned?

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by kgkg
What did he say?
PM was portrayed as entity much greater than the DCU but PM is still a DCU character so his influence is restrained within it.
Kinda like how Pre-Rec Beyonder was portrayed was greater than MU.
The same rule holds from the TOAA he can't be above the Marvel medium because its' impossible.

Its a matter of perspective. If you try and treat fiction so empirically (especially comic book fiction) you're going to run into trouble. 😄

Tattoos N Scars Modern Day Drifter

It's a stupid oxymoron to begin with. The PM is supposedly greater than all of DC...yet a DC writer will control his actions on panel.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
lucifer is considered the second most powerful being in existnace on panel.
that puts him above the likes of mxy,bat mite, the spectre, the source,death ,the word, the voice, and every and anything in existace.

Wrong

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Wasn't that the reason the Beyonder was retconned?

I'm not sure why it was retconned. Shooters Beyonder was to powerful it’s a valid explanation to why it got retconned though.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
It's a stupid oxymoron to begin with. The PM is supposedly greater than all of DC...yet a DC writer will control his actions on panel.

👆

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Fun fact, the Primal Monitor failed to destroy the DCU.

Originally posted by Mindset
I love this bastardization of the word omnipotent.

Unlike what you've learned in the OBD, there is no strict definition for the term.

And there are levels of omnipotence in Marvel, this has been confirmed on multiple accounts. If people want to recite the source material they shouldn't be criticized for it.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by Astner

Unlike what you've learned in the OBD, there is no strict definition for the term.
And there are levels of omnipotence in Marvel, this has been confirmed on multiple accounts. If people want to recite the source material they shouldn't be criticized for it.

I learned the definition of 'omnipotent' from the dictionary.

We are talking about DC, not Marvel.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Mindset
I learned the definition of 'omnipotent' from the dictionary.

So did I, it's synonymous with infinite power.

Originally posted by Mindset
We are talking about DC, not Marvel.

Then I have no idea.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Astner
Fun fact, the Primal Monitor failed to destroy the DCU.

When did he try?

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Omega Vision
When did he try?

When he sent the Dark Monitor (Mandrakk) to destroy it.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Astner
When he sent the Dark Monitor (Mandrakk) to destroy it.

Fun Fact: that's not how it happened at all.

He sent a Monitor Probe to study Story (the DCU) which split into two. Half of that probe became Dax Novu who after discovering he could feed on the Bleed (story) and after he created the Monitors became corrupted by story and became Mandrakk. It was never the direct intention of the PM to destroy the DCU with Mandrakk.

TheTyrant New member

Fun fact: Dax Novu wasthe son of the first monitor. Not THE first monitor.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by Astner
When he sent the Dark Monitor (Mandrakk) to destroy it.

To observe it, not destroy it.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Fun fact: Dax Novu wasthe son of the first monitor. Not THE first monitor.

Nope. Dax Novu was one half of the original Monitor probe and the first Monitor. His son was Nix Uotan.

galactusischere Apocalypse..begins!

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nope. Dax Novu was one half of the original Monitor probe and the first Monitor. His son was Nix Uotan.

Actually, he speaks the truth...

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by galactusischere
Actually, he speaks the truth...

Monitor in that case likely either refers to the Primal Monitor or the original Monitor Probe that split into Novu and the Anti-Monitor (presumably). So he's still the first 'Monitor' where here Monitor refers to red-skinned humanoids who Monitor the Multiverse.