Wolverine Vs. Nightwing & Arsenal

"Beats," yes. "Steamrolls," no.

Elektra is strictly a meta to superhuman and has powers abilities and skills that outstrip Robin by multitudes...

She's better but still generally a streetleveler.

1.) Compromised in his healing factor or brainwashed to compensate for the person he's fighting.

See, this is a good example that counters your argument. His healing factor being compromised wouldn't matter one whit if he steamrolled- he takes major hits often in fights against skilled martial artists.

at Azreal, the Angel of Death being a no-name fighter

This version hasn't exactly gone against many big-name fighters, and it's mentioned that others have beaten him twice before Logan.

Wolverine I guess.

Originally posted by Q99

This version hasn't exactly gone against many big-name fighters, and it's mentioned that others have beaten him twice before Logan. [/B]

it is also mentioned that he has killed other men and women like Wolverine before, and he had been doing it for a millennia.

and it also states that Wolverine "hasnt faced a foe before or since possessing such skill, such ferocity, and such strength."

Honestly I not even tyring to be mean but dam Q99 you gotta stop amost every dam time you open your mouth about Wolverine your wrong........and yes he would beat both of them....handily he superior to them in every singe way, they hold no advantages against him oh and he can tank almost anything they can produce.

And elektra is not a street leveler....kroton would be flipping out to here this nonsenses.......it crazy how much you can overrate some characters and then down play other simply amazing.

Originally posted by Q99
"Beats," yes. "Steamrolls," no.

Uh,.. YES...

Originally posted by Q99
She's better but still generally a streetleveler.

Originally posted by Q99
See, this is a good example that counters your argument. His healing factor being compromised wouldn't matter one whit if he steamrolled- he takes major hits often in fights against skilled martial artists.

Taking a hit from a MA and that hit affecting him are two different things, not to mention the fact that Wolverine can and does take hits of his own volition to land counters or even simply because he knows he can.
AND... Wolverine being weakened, or having risidual ghost pains from healing issues wouldn't affect his performance in your opinion?

You DON'T see the difference between a healthy Logan no selling guys like Shang Chi, Daredevil, Solo, Shatterstar, Cap versus having trouble taking Cap when he's bereft of his HF? huh...

Originally posted by Q99
"Beats," yes. "Steamrolls," no.

She's better but still generally a streetleveler.

Originally posted by Q99
See, this is a good example that counters your argument. His healing factor being compromised wouldn't matter one whit if he steamrolled- he takes major hits often in fights against skilled martial artists.

He also wtf pwned several elite level MA's includign DD, shang-chi, stick, uber tier guys like Ogun ect.

Originally posted by Q99
This version hasn't exactly gone against many big-name fighters, and it's mentioned that others have beaten him twice before Logan.

He been between twice before......yea that means he not good right? he only million years old or more he bound to loses at least a few times out of the bilions of fights he been in........but nice try down playing it....notice how you forgot to add that Doc Strange stated that he was likely the most skilled opponent Logan has and will ever fight.

Originally posted by Q99

Sabertooth, Lady Deathstrike, Shingen? Those are all ones that give him very hard fights. Shingen especially is a good example of my point. Logan does not walk over these people easily every time, it's a pretty absurd suggestion to say that he does.

As for deathstrike are you kidding me? she also a superhuman and fast enough to chase down cars.........and wolverine beats her ass in almost every single encounter they ever had even when he has no working healing factor.

Shingen did well against a poisoned wolverine, this same shingen was consider the greatest swordsmen alive at the time, better then even his son silver samuria......wolverine killed him twice.......nice evidences there........... 🙄

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wolverine killed him twice.......nice evidences there........... 🙄

gotta love comics, only place where you can kill someone twice 😄

true lol and he came back again lol looks like wolverine might kill him a 3rd time

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Sabre-tooth is a superhuman who physically superior to wolverine who is also a superhuman..........not even sure why you would think bringing up sabre-tooth would help your agruement.......a sabre-tooth would beat the shit out of arsenal and NW at the same time while toying with them.......

As for deathstrike are you kidding me? she also a superhuman and fast enough to chase down cars.........and wolverine beats her ass in almost every single encounter they ever had even when he has no working healing factor.

They were brought up by others.

Shingen did well against a poisoned wolverine, this same shingen was consider the greatest swordsmen alive at the time, better then even his son silver samuria......wolverine killed him twice.......nice evidences there........... 🙄

They fought multiple times. Was it ever a walk-over? Or rather, was it a walk over *every times*? Because that's what is required for the argument I've been opposing.

Wolverine killed him, but I would hardly call it a *steamroll*, is the the point.

Remember, I'm saying Wolverine beats top non-super fighters too, I'm just saying it is a real fight.

except she not a street level, she has meta human stats, is a chi amp, telepath ect.........maybe you might wish to read up on her........

And DD can fight Elektra on good terms.

Elektra and Wolverine aren't far apart in stat range. What makes Wolverine able to 'stomp' Matt when Elektra doesn't?

Nightwing fights foes just as or more superhuman than Logan on many occasions. What about Wolverine's slight superhuman stats makes him 'steamroll' when they don't? Why can someone who can hold off Slade for a significant amount of time suddenly insta-lose just because Wolverine has a better healing factor?

It's silly.

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it is also mentioned that he has killed other men and women like Wolverine before, and he had been doing it for a millennia.

and it also states that Wolverine "hasnt faced a foe before or since possessing such skill, such ferocity, and such strength."

Quite frankly I call BS.

He has a thing about his targets needing to beat him twice, and those who beat him twice often are stuck in a sort of living death due to not being able to heal the wounds they took in the process, something Logan didn't have to worry about, but they did win.

Wolverine's faces foes of all kinds, many a lot stronger and more fearsome. It's hardly likely he's the most skilled when others are skilled enough to win and he's so quickly beaten upon losing his sword.

Slade usually rage stomps Nightwing. Nightwing has - twice - managed to get the upper hand once while capitalizing on Deathstroke being distracted, and once by getting the drop on him. He keep up his advantaged and managed to keep Deathstroke off balance. He managed to do this primarily because Deathstroke isn't nearly as skilled as he is in h2h. Wolverine doesn't have the same disadvantage. He is more skilled than Dick, and he is more skilled by a significant margin.

This fight would last as long as Wolverine vs. Shatterstar. Three panels. Dick and Roy are no match from Wolverine, alone or together. They literally pose no threat. There won't be a lengthy fight that Wolverine will eventually manage to win. They won't even give Wolverine pause. The fight will only last as long as Wolverine wants it to.

the only reason logan wouldnt steam roll is if both headed different directions and NW was swinging through the air and logan had to catch him and get airborne that is assuming they even manage to out react logan to pull that off and get some masssive distance from logan. i am talking about ten stories at least.

Getting off the skill argument for a bit, what exactly is Wolverine going to do if he's hit by a glue arrow? They're designed to hold people with multi-ton strength comfortably and he can't exactly cut his way through.

The pair do have a lot of gadgets and tricks and I don't see why they wouldn't work.

Originally posted by Q99
Getting off the skill argument for a bit, what exactly is Wolverine going to do if he's hit by a glue arrow? They're designed to hold people with multi-ton strength comfortably and he can't exactly cut his way through.

The pair do have a lot of gadgets and tricks and I don't see why they wouldn't work.

not sure which glue arrow you are referring to and what instance he use it on and on who but whatever... i guess if he "can" hit him its possible to incapacitate him... but i dont see why he couldnt eventually break free unless it is all goo with no hardness whatsoever.

also what are arsenals modern weapons now? last i saw him in was in the superman robot fight death of donna

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
not sure which glue arrow you are referring to and what instance he use it on and on who but whatever... i guess if he "can" hit him its possible to incapacitate him... but i dont see why he couldnt eventually break free unless it is all goo with no hardness whatsoever.

'Eventually' sure, but a trapped Wolverine is a lot more vulnerable to follow up attacks.

also what are arsenals modern weapons now? last i saw him in was in the superman robot fight death of donna

Right now he's been relying on bow a lot, even calling himself Red Arrow.

(Well, *right* now he's down an arm so not using a lot, but before that).

what happens when logan catches the arrow and throws it back or arsenal completely misses due to his enhanced speed and reaction time?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what happens when logan catches the arrow and throws it back or arsenal completely misses due to his enhanced speed and reaction time?

Arsenal dodges it or shoots it down, Arsenal shoots more arrows. He could also open with a sonic arrow or explosive arrow to disorient Wolvie (which doesn't need a hit) before going to glue.

With a bow, he's about Bullseye level in aim.

logan isnt DD where high sonics will keep him from fighting he isnt a p%#$y... he will grind his teeth and tank it same for explosion arrows.. none of those will slow him down enough time to give arsenal an opening. the only way arsenal manages to incapacitate logan is he tanks the glue arrow which i will give you happening 3 out of ten times but unless it is a time out win logan can and will escape they are not ko'ing him.

The team wins if they can keep their distance and not die within the first 10 seconds