Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Translation: Batdude is buttsore that Captain America > Batman in terms of skill.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I know a lot of people like to make the assumption for whatever reason that Captain America and Batman are equal in terms of h2h, but that just isn't the case. First off Captain America has been stated as being a master of every know Martial Art style on Earth, on panel. Batman has not.
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The rest of your post is nothing but ridiculously arbitrary ABC logic.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Translation: Batdude is buttsore that Captain America > Batman in terms of skill.I know a lot of people like to make the assumption for whatever reason that Captain America and Batman are equal in terms of h2h, but that just isn't the case. First off Captain America has been stated as being a master of every know Martial Art style on Earth, on panel. Batman has not. Simple enough, but that isn't all. Both Wolverine and Captain America are established as being superior to Shang-Chi, confirmed by Shang-Chi and Shang-Chi's villains in Caps case and demonstrated in Wolverine's case by him beating Shang-Chi in three panels. Shang-Chi's exploits are virtually a mirror image of those Richard Dragon, only much more numerous and with sprinklings of uber insane feats Dragon couldn't even dream off. Richard Dragon = Shang-Chi. Richard Dragon > Batman. Shang-Chi > Batman. Wolverine > Shang-Chi.
In terms of skill Batman = Daredevil (more or less but close enough), and in Marvel there are a lot of characters more skilled than Daredevil.
Yeah, and Batman has said the same thing. BTW, just because you know every MA, doesn't mean you are necessarily better.
Originally posted by batdude123
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The rest of your post is nothing but ridiculously arbitrary ABC logic.
One is non-cannon, one is a bio, but the third is fair game. I'd forgotten about that one. 😮
Anyway ABC logic is the only way to come up with a Martial Artist hierarchy. Certainly it has more weight that simply stating "I think Batman is better," with out having anything to back it with. Its not like we are comparing apples and oranges either, all the street level heroes are pretty close to equal physically.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
One is non-cannon, one is a bio, but the third is fair game. I'd forgotten about that one. 😮Anyway ABC logic is the only way to come up with a Martial Artist hierarchy. Certainly it has more weight that simply stating "I think Batman is better," with out having anything to back it with. Its not like we are comparing apples and oranges either, all the street level heroes are pretty close to equal physically.
K, I dig it that you have your opinion on the matter, but I simply disagree with it.
I have plenty of feats to back Batman's skills.
In any case, I also forgot to mention what Prep-Man was referring to in Batman: Cacophony, but you got my point. uhuh
Originally posted by Prep-Man
In the latest Kevin Smith series, Bruce sates that he KNOWS every violent art there is. Look at my SIG!
Yup but that isn't quite the same thing.
Anyway, facts remain the same. There is an established hierarchy of Martial Artists, in both Universes however lose they may be. Batman isn't as skilled as Shiva, or Richard Dragon. He has said so himself and it has been inferred by other characters as well. Bruce - while tremendously skilled - is not at the top of the heap. He isn't in the top 5.
Without getting into a lengthy process of explanation of who said what and who beat who, Captain America and Wolverine and at the top of the top 10 heap of Marvel Martial Artists (once again ignoring Marvel's Old Masters). Cap and Wolverine are more or less equal in terms of skill, Wolverine says he is better, so there is that, but I'm inclined to think they are about even. Wolverine is better than Shang-Chi. That makes him better than Batman. And Wolverine punking Shang-Chi in three panels is a more impressive skill feat than anything Batman has ever done... hell its a more impressive skill feat than most fighters have ever replicated.
Originally posted by batdude123
K, I dig it that you have your opinion on the matter, but I simply disagree with it.I have plenty of feats to back Batman's skills.
In any case, I also forgot to mention what Prep-Man was referring to in Batman: Cacophony, but you got my point. uhuh
I thought it was Widening Gyre?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
ROFLMMFAO at Wolverine being Batman's superior in terms of skill or being in the Top 5 in Marvel.
......which makes that way you presented this very post to be absurd...........becuase your own statement early in this thread was far worse......
I think bat dude would agree with me on this, while it debatbale who more skilled wolverine or batman..........NW in no way in hell is more skilled then wolverine, let a lone be a large amount......
...just no no no no.....no.....that just ignorances of the top order......just no
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Top 5? He is. Like I said again, Bruce has come a long way since saying that he wasn't as skilled as Richard.
It's not as though Richard has been stagnate while Bruce has been advancing. I mean, Shiva is a much more skilled and dangerous fighter now than when she first met Bruce, or when she was hanging out with the Question. Yet, Richard Dragon edged her out when the last fought. Batman has commented that Shiva is better than he is, so has Nightwing, so has Shiva. You might not like it, but like I said there is an established hierarchy of Martial Artists in these universes, and Batman isn't in the top 5. Is he close? Sure. Is the gab small enough that he can close it with use of his standard equipment? Usually, or close enough anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that the gab in skill exists.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not as though Richard has been stagnate while Bruce has been advancing. I mean, Shiva is a much more skilled and dangerous fighter now than when she first met Bruce, or when she was hanging out with the Question. Yet, Richard Dragon edged her out when the last fought. Batman has commented that Shiva is better than he is, so has Nightwing, so has Shiva. You might not like it, but like I said there is an established hierarchy of Martial Artists in these universes, and Batman isn't in the top 5. Is he close? Sure. Is the gab small enough that he can close it with use of his standard equipment? Usually, or close enough anyway, but that doesn't change the fact that the gab in skill exists.
So who's in the top 5? Shiva, Dragon, ?? NOT including KK, since he's not on the planet.
I just can't rap my head around how people can still be so ignorant on wolverine that they make stupid assumptions that he far less skill then he really is or believe that making him go berserker will actaully help his opponent.........
I mean what more does he need to do? beat on a number of top tier MA's check, make them look stupid check, beat an uber tier MA check, rage shit stomp 2nd tier MA's check, take capt america out and give him a blood clot while not at 100% check.......
